Talk:Fly from Here

Who plays keyboards?

The Bradenton article has been used as a citation to argue that the album line-up is Howe, Squire, White, O. Wakeman and David, except for one track. However, I question whether that's what the article says. To quote the key part:

The bassist, songwriter, cofounder and only group member to appear on every Yes album said the new one would be called “Fly From Here.”

“It’s the title of the main song,” he said.

Squire also confirmed longtime Yes collaborator Trevor Horn produced the album. The players, Squire continued, would be the same one attendees will see on stage when the band performs Friday at Jannus Live in St. Petersburg:

Guitarist Steve Howe, drummer Alan White, keyboardist Oliver Wakeman, lead singer Benoit David and Squire.

Except for one change.

At Horn’s insistence, “Fly from Here” will feature his former Buggles and Yes band-mate Geoffrey Downes on keyboards, as opposed to Wakeman, Squire said.

I read that as saying that Downes alone plays on Fly from Here. There is an ambiguity as "Fly from Here" may either refer to the album or the title song. However, every other use of "Fly from Here" in the article refers to the album. In the absence of clarity on that point, I'm editing the article to remove the current claims around O. Wakeman's involvement. Bondegezou (talk) 20:47, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

I agree, it is ambiguous. The only other article I've found is this interview with Squire, and it's not really clear there either. 28bytes (talk) 20:58, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Latest Squire interview is unambiguous. Downes is the main keyboardist on the album. Bondegezou (talk) 10:57, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Yep, I saw that and have updated the Yes page accordingly with that ref. 28bytes (talk) 16:32, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

I don't have a source yet, but based on the audio samples (!!!!!! http://itunes.apple.com/us/preorder/fly-from-here/id441575176 ) I'd say Oliver Wakeman's work made it to at least one track. Personally, I'm not convinced any of the sources say that Downes is the ONLY keyboardist on the project… we already have sources that say that he was working on the album, so isn't it jumping the gun to say definitively that none of his work will appear on the album unless a sources says so specifically? —Shada Ng (talk | contribs) 03:50, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

I'd think their press release would have mentioned it if Oliver Wakeman was on the album... but regardless, if you can find a source that says he is, obviously that'll go in the article. 28bytes (talk) 04:01, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

I've seen the liner notes and Oliver Wakeman is credited with additional keyboards on 3 tracks. However, a not-publicly-available preview of the liner notes probably doesn't count as WP:RS, so I've not added to the article yet! Bondegezou (talk) 07:44, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Ok, but the sources about the new lineup say that Downes is the "main keyboardist" and does "most of the keyboards" etc. Obviously their press releases are geared to promote the touring lineup, so there's no reason they would mention OW, but that doesn't necessarily indicate that his contributions to the album were entirely removed. Since we already have sources that say that OW contributed both to the writing and recording of FFH, and we don't have a source that says definitively that his contributions have all been removed from it, it seems to be that to exclude him from being listed in the album personnel in this article would be Original Research. —Shada Ng (talk | contribs) 13:42, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Bootleg

I'm removing this: "circulated in bootleg form for three decades" until someone can reference it. I have no doubt it's true, but we can't just put things in the article without a source. 28bytes (talk) 18:29, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Two page versions?

There seems to be two different versions of this article on the site - one with a track listing, album artwork and contents, (which can be accessed via the Yes wiki page), and one without these things (which you can access by searching "fly from here" in the search box)

Just figured I'd point this out so one of them can be removed for organisation's sake.

86.147.92.157 (talk) 14:42, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Update: nevermind, it's working now. The server must have just needed time to catch up 86.147.92.157 (talk) 14:44, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Bill Bruford?

If the song was first rehearsed during "Drama" why would Bruford have been the drummer? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.132.48.72 (talk) 11:35, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

The story goes that Alan White broke his foot during the Paris Sessions, so Bruford came in to help out on a demo. Bondegezou (talk) 12:42, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Anderson's ill health

User:Hokstad and I are at something of a disagreement: see edit history for details. As I see it, the article explains why David replaced Anderson in 2008 because Anderson was seriously ill. Hokstad feels that should be described as "according to Squire" as s/he feels "Anderson has stated that he was recovered IN 2008". As far as I understand it, Anderson has not stated that: he didn't start recording again until 2009. I've added two interviews with Anderson to support the text, but Hokstad feels they are insufficiently supportive. I will look for some better citations. Bondegezou (talk) 10:16, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

OK, so [1] has Anderson in October 2008 saying, "it’s gonna take some months before I can do shows". [2] has Anderson saying in July 2009, "I had to take a complete break and ended up having six operations. [...] I started singing again in about February or March of this year" (i.e. 2009). Is that sufficient evidence to show that Anderson (in his own words) was not recovered in 2008? Bondegezou (talk) 10:28, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Jon Anderson stated in September 2008, that he's "...so much better...so grateful and so blessed...I look forward to 2009 for the "Great Work" to come."[] Yes, Anderson was ill, and yes, he was replaced - those facts are irrefutable. But, it is clear that he wanted to continue with the band and felt he could continue. In [3] Anderson states that it was other problems within the band that was causing friction. Hokstad (talk) 13:02, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

I don't see the big deal by adding "according to Squire." It is well known in the Yes world that Anderson wanted and wants back in the band, and Squire's reluctance to do that. Perhaps I should start a page describing that controversy. Adding "according to Squire" just shows that there is a discrepancy, nothing else. It doesn't mean that he is wrong, but that there is at least one more side to this issue. OR...I put forth this compromise: change it to simply, "It is also the first with Canadian singer Benoît David on vocals, who had replaced long-time member Jon Anderson in 2008." That may be better as it contains only facts, and nothing that can be construed as debatable. I am new to all of this, so I hope I am writing and signing all of this correctly...I'm still learning.

I am happy with your suggested compromise. It seems sensible for this article.

I think you have been mistaken in the interpretation you have put on that Sep 2008 quotation from Anderson: it does not say he is fully recovered. The Bolton News interview is more specific and says he did not start "singing again" until "February or March" 2009. So, Anderson was not sufficiently recovered to sing until 2009. It seems to me that it is verifiable that Anderson was too ill to work until beyond the end of 2008.

Did Anderson want the others to continue without him? Was Anderson sufficiently recovered to re-join the band in 2009 or some other time before the recording of Fly from Here? Possibly. If there are reliable source citations discussing these things, then they could be inserted, although such discussion should probably go into the Yes or Jon Anderson articles rather than here. Bondegezou (talk) 13:30, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

References

Luis Jardim: Percussion

The page doesn't credit the percussionist Luis Jardim who played on the record and is actually credited in the album's liner notes. Is this simply an error or was his input actually debunked at one point? 89.64.7.178 (talk) 21:36, 7 July 2024 (UTC)