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Redland vs. The Redlands

Take it from someone who lives only about four miles away from the region that is now under an incorporation drive: the part of southern Miami-Dade County between Homestead and the western part of Goulds is The Redlands, not Redland. The name of the proposed municipality is Redlands with an "s". B.Wind 03:18, 6 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I just remember that it was Redlands 50 years ago. Do you know anything about a town called Silver Palm in southern Dade County? That's one I don't remember. -- Dalbury^(Talk) 04:04, 6 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I can recall a Silver Bluff (which merged with the City of Miami in 1926), but there were so many small hamlets that existed prior to 1940 south of present-day Kendall that it's quite possible. I'll try to pull out an old book that covers the era from the Miami-Dade main library; failing that, it has some maps that go back to the 1930s, and I can check them. The present-day location does have a cluster of buildings and roads, so its likely. B.Wind 04:34, 6 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps Redland has now been changed to Redlands. But the area has been Redland for quite some time. The original settlers specifically wanted the singular "Redland" to prevent name confusion with the town of Redlands in California. Reminders of singular Redland are everywhere: Redland Road, Redland Farm Life School, Redland Golf & Country Club, and the Redland Natural Arts Festival. I could go on, but that's enough. Even the Miami-Dade website, www.miamidade.gov, has the incorporation movement listed as the Redland Municipal Advisory Committee. At some point in time, everyone started incorrectly calling the area "Redlands" and added "the", and it still persists to this day.

As far as the town of Silver Palm is concerned, you may need to go back further than 1930, like 1900. And a drive along Silver Palm Drive at Newton Road will take you to the marker that explains some of the areas history, and you can see the two buildings that I mentioned that you took out of the article.

Lastly, one thing that was very revealing to me Dalbury was this quote of yours: "I had not previously heard of the information you introduced." Even your quote on Silver Palm "That's one I don't remember." Although you did explain the Wikipedia policy on verifiable references, it sure seems like it is a case of things being edited because you never heard of them before and if you never heard of it, it can't be true. Well my Silver Palm information comes from my visit to the area; I don't know how to list a road marker as a reference. Another reference is Dr. Paul George, one of the premier historians of Miami-Dade County. Don't know how to list him as a reference either. I've seen information submitted by others in some articles on South Florida that are not referenced, but I'm not going to go there.

I originally started this project because so many people have no idea where their place names came from, especially residents of South Florida, many of whom are transplants from other areas. I am done with my work, you may edit out whatever you never heard of and be the guardian of South Florida history. Just like many old homes that are torn down and replaced with new homes, South Floridians will have no information about their communities history, at least not on the Wikipedia website. —Preceding unsigned comment added by User:38.100.146.10 (talk • contribs)

Well, lets see. In the 1950s there was a Redlands Junior High School. I remember seeing the school band march in the Junior Orange Bowl parade. It sticks out in my memory because they wore very simple uniforms, nothing like most band uniforms. Here [1] is a reference to a migrant program in the Redlands in 1965. Now, while I am relying on memory to spot things that don't seem right, I do not add material to articles without sources. I checked on Google and got no hits for Silver Palm as a town in Florida. Note that the Siver Palm you linked to in your edit was a redirect to Palmetto (Amtrak). If you have sources for the town of Silver Palm, and/or for the use of Redland in preference to Redlands, please cite them in the article. -- Dalbury^(Talk) 01:22, 7 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding "Redland" vs. "The Redlands", I point to over 40 years of references by the Miami Herald, particularly the "Neighbors" sections that have been published twice weekly for more than the past decade. The most recent version (check the South Miami-Dade edition) is available at [2]. B.Wind 02:03, 7 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In doing research for another article I stumbled across an interesting reference. Conchtown USA, by Charles C. Foster, p. 87, has the following:

In the summer of 1911 the two men took passage on a boat to Miami, temporarily leaving their families in the Bahamas. It was not long before they found work in the Red Lands, at what is now Homestead, Florida.

Foster based his book on enterviews obtained in the 1930s and the 1980s from people living in Riviera Beach, Florida, including a family that lived in the Red Lands before moving to Riviera Beach. -- Dalbury^(Talk) 02:59, 11 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In case anybody is interested in following up on this, I have found a wonderful book in the Miami Dade College - Wolfson Campus library that covers the early settlers and settlements of southern (Miami-)Dade County: Jean Taylor's The Villages of South Dade (1985, ISBN 0-041072-12-6 Parameter error in {{ISBN}}: checksum). It mentions both the Redland District (the post office closed in 1934) and the Silver Palm District, originally slightly further north, including much of today's South Miami Heights. This book is a gold mine of historical information, much richer than I can handle right now. B.Wind 01:34, 18 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'll have to see if that's available thru inter-library loan here (I'm quite sure I haven't seen it in the 'Florida' section in the Delray Beach library). -- Donald Albury^(Talk) 02:09, 18 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I can't let the unsigned comment go without response. Whether I know a particular piece of information is true or not is irrelevant if I don't have something in writing to back it up. In case you didn't notice, I didn't rule out the possibility of the existence of a village named Silver Palm (in fact, I said it was "likely"). If I wanted to sweep the whole thing "under the rug," I wouldn't try to research it after it was mentioned here. So far I can confirm that Newton Road was first constructed about 1910 to allow access to the Silver Palm School, but I have yet to find the definite reference that would cinch it... but when/if I find it, I will bring it here. Now, if Dr. Paul George published anything that pertained to the topic at hand, we can use it as a reference that could clinch it. Despite the recent activity of a certain editor who is insisting upon erasing references and categories from FSR articles, we want to make sure that whatever we put here can withstand scrutiny. I will keep looking for that article, job permitting. B.Wind 02:03, 7 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It now seems that the Miami Herald is referring to the area as Redland in their "Neighbors" section. 147.70.244.153 23:27, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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I've added a Wikisource link to the definition in the 1945 renumbering, which has it running from SR 27 to SR 5. Any ideas when it was extended (or if it was actually extended)? --SPUI (talk - don't use sorted stub templates!) 23:28, 8 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It had to be before 1954 as it was designated on both sides of South Dixie Highway on a commercially-prepared map dated that year. I don't have the references, but my impression was that the alignment was essentially unchanged during its existence, and if there were indeed an extention, it would be the Goulds segment as Goulds and Cutler Ridge (the latter later became Cutler Bay) were being built in the 1950s. Unfortunately, I couldn't find it on a 1945 USGS topological map, but as we know, maps dated one year are usually compiled in the former half of the previous year (one exception: those offered by AAA and CAA to their members, which are compiled six months prior to the effective month-year on their front cover). In The Redlands, Country Club Road has always been an important route since it was first paved long before 1945. B.Wind 03:06, 14 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You know, just because one (or several) commercially-produced maps shows something doesn't make it true. --SPUI (talk - don't use sorted stub templates!) 20:38, 15 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The same could be said about some FDOT documents, particularly District 6 after 1990. At least my sources in this matter don't contradict themselves. B.Wind 01:21, 18 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]