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"Fake" F-5

The ref you provided does not show that this paint scheme is a "fake". In English the word "fake" means an intentional fraud to deceive people. Calling the markings "fake" is extremely WP:POV in the manner of an accusation of a fraud. The markings on this F-5 are more of a reproduction, representation or a tribute to an actual PS aircraft than a fraud. I have removed the word "fake" as the description is still accurate without it. If this is not acceptable than I suggest that we just remove the entire description, as it is unsourced anyway and just indicate that the collection includes an F-5. - Ahunt (talk) 16:37, 12 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, sorry I didn't knew this, we use this word fake in switzerland like a "look a like/ not real" something who look like something it is not realy.. Fact is that this F-5E was in orginal a usual grey paintet F-5E with the reg J-3098, after a hard landing with structual damage it spend a few years as ground intruction airframe at Meiringen AFB. In 2012 the DH-100 Vampire in front of the museum was given away to Reihnmetal air defence they used the DH-100 at theyer test shooting range Eutal (canton schwyz near Einsideln) to show the effect of AAA munition.

So the J-3098 get only for the Museum the patrouille suisse paint (you can see the F-5E here [1],and with the Immatriculation (by expandinc picture) [2] the paint is not very detailt many (good visible) details are not paintet on this aircraft, like the warning insignea for the ejectonseat and so one. Also the aircraft get the Immatriculation J-3013.. but in fact J-3013 had on the 21.05.1981 a mid air crash with the MirageIIIS J-2323. No one of the real PS F-5E has this Immatriculation, the 7 (6 +1 spare aircraft) F-5E have Immatriculations between J-3080 to J-3091.

Please see this PDF from the Swiss air Force Homepage (in german only) :[3]

Bye the way i thank you very much for fixing some of my errors, I trye to write as well as I could in english but it is not my native language, and a lot of the informations i had to translate by my one because i found it only in german.

FFA P-16 (talk) 17:24, 12 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No problem, you have done lots of good work on this article. It is through this sort of collaboration that we write the encyclopedia!

I understand what the museum has done - many museums here in Canada do the same thing. The Canada Aviation and Space Museum has a CT-114 Tutor in the front hall in Snowbirds markings, even though the aircraft was not received in those markings and had to be repainted at the museum to represent a team aircraft. It may not be 100% accurate for the history of that individual serial number, but it is done as a tribute to the aircraft that did fly for the team. - Ahunt (talk) 20:44, 12 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Flab??

The article says that “Flieger Flab” means “Swiss Air Force.” Clearly this is a highly idiomatic translation, since “Swiss Air Force” would literally be “Schweize Luftwaffe” or some such. So what does “Flab” mean? It's not a standard German word, as far as I know—certainly not a common word like “Flieger.” Shouldn't the article tell the reader what “Flab” actually means? My wild guess is that it's short for “Flugabteilung,” but I'd very much like to know for sure. --Jtle515 (talk) 08:49, 2 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]