Talk:Flashdance

Expansion

The article has been expanded and some images added.--Ianmacm 18:28, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Cast list

The cast list was removed because it was way too long. As a general rule, Wikipedia articles do not contain full cast lists of films because they are not of interest to a general reader. This is particularly true for cast members with very small walk-on roles. The best place to find the cast list of a film is on IMDB, and the link to the IMDB article for Flashdance is already given in the infobox of the article.--Ianmacm 19:08, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

A mini edit war has broken out over whether to include the full cast list of the film in the article. It should be restated that it is not standard Wikipedia practice to include full cast lists of films, as this is an area which is already covered by websites such as IMDb and All Movie Guide. The average reader will not want to know who played all the walk-on parts in a film, as there are only about half a dozen major speaking roles in Flashdance. Rather than get involved in a perpetual edit war over this, a page has been created entitled Full cast list of Flashdance which can be accessed from the See also section. Another quick point is that Wikilinks created without a corresponding article will lead to redlinks, which are not very useful as they go nowhere.

Please read these notes and take them on board before making any future revert edits to the page, as Wikipedia is about building consensus between users.--Ianmacm 17:32, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Grunt, Alex's dog

The edit saying that Grunt the dog is a Pit bull terrier was put back in, but could someone confirm that this is correct? Incidentally, some US states now ban pit bull terriers as dangerous dogs.--Ianmacm 21:42, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Locations of Flashdance in Pittsburgh

I have removed the information about the locations used for some of the scenes in Flashdance pending further research. The claim that the Carnegie Institute at 4615 Forbes Avenue was used for some of the location work comes from IMDb at [1]. An edit on 22 March 2007 says that the building used as the Conservatory of Dance was the Carnegie Museum of Natural History. However, there is still another claim at [2] saying that the Conservatory is the Andrew Carnegie Free Library on Beechwood Avenue. There is a need for some clarification here. There are several indoor and outdoor scenes filmed at the Conservatory, and this may be causing some of the confusion. I am going to do some more research to clear things up, but if anyone could give more information on this it would be appreciated.--Ianmacm 14:39, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm the one who made the edit changing it to the Carnegie Museum of Natural History, so let me try to help. Carnegie Institute is the name of the organization that runs the museums (history museum, attached art museum, and the science center miles away). The physical building is the Museum of Natural History. I removed the part about it being "on the campus of Carnegie Mellon" because it is unrelated to the University and is not part of the campus (it's down the street).

In retrospect, I should have included the Wikipedia link to the history museum instead of an outside link... the Wikipedia page for the history museum has a couple of nice pictures that people can compare to the building in the movie.

If I remember right, the "establishing shots" of the Dance building used the north face of the history museum (see the picture to the right side of the Carnegie Museums page), and I _think_ the final scene is around the corner along the east side of the building. There's also a scene (I think where Alex is running away from the initial dance audition) in the interior of the building that is recognizable as one of the museum galleries but I don't remember which gallery. Hopefully someone who still lives in Pittsburgh can help out. AidanPalmer 01:08, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Carnegie Museum of Natural History

I had another look at the DVD of Flashdance. Early on in the film, Alex cycles to the Conservatory and asks for an application form, but runs out when she realises that she lacks formal dance education. The building used in this scene is not the Museum of Natural History (see picture). Somebody with first-hand knowledge of Pittsburgh may be able to sort this out.--Ianmacm 11:59, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

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WikiProject class rating

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History (the sweatshirt look)

Even though J Beals may claim accidental invention of the 'look' of the Flashdance sweatshirt, Belinda Carlisle can clearly be seen wearing the same look in The Go-go's video for 'Get Up and Go' shot in November 1982. That would predate Beals by about 6 months. There are also photos of Belinda with this look earlier on. I just think its silly for Beals to claim it was a laundry mistake when it was clearly a fashion trend that was already well underway.. Can someone ad to the article or clear this up somehow? Thanks. T 76.209.142.10 (talk) 04:09, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, this is an interesting point. In the video of the song "Get up and Go" (here on YouTube), Belinda Carlisle can be seen wearing a grey off the shoulder sweatshirt in a way that is not a million miles different from Jennifer Beals in Flashdance. This is from the autumn of 1982, before the film was released. Jennifer Beals' anecdote about the sweatshirt is a popular story about the making of the film rather than a claim that she was the first person ever to wear an off the shoulder sweatshirt. This was a popular fashion look in the 1980s, and although Flashdance helped to promote it, the article does stop short of saying that she actually invented it.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 08:09, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Sequel

The part saying that Guber and Peters doomed the sequel was removed, because it was unsourced and unclear. In this 2003 interview, it says that Jennifer Beals turned down the offer to appear in a sequel. This page talks about some of the legal issues involving Maureen Marder, but it appears that she signed a release that would not have prevented Paramount from making a sequel. Maybe the plans fell by the wayside, just as the proposed 2001 Broadway musical version did. Given the huge flop of Staying Alive in 1983, it may be a blessing that a sequel did not get made. Incidentally, Cynthia Rhodes (Tina Tech in Flashdance) was also in Staying Alive.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 20:21, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Lady, Lady, Lady

Re this edit: The song is called "Lady, Lady, Lady" (not "Lady, Lady"), photo of album track listing here). Neither of the Billboard sources at [3] or [4] says anything about "it was not released as a single in the U.S. due to reorganization at Casablanca, and conflicts concerning distribution between Casablanca and Millennium Records.", so this is not in the sourcing given and fails WP:V. Another problem is that the Billboard sources give only the top ten for that week, and if you want to see the full chart at billboard.biz, a subscription is required. I'm not disputing that "Lady, Lady, Lady" peaked at #86 in the US charts, but it is not directly available from the sourcing given.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 06:04, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Filming locations

Re this edit: there are quite a few sources online saying that the ice rink sequence was filmed at the Monroeville Mall, but none is blue chip. This section has problems with original research. Some locations, such as the Duquesne Incline, are uncontroversial, but others need a source. This section may be axed if no sourcing can be found for some of the locations.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 07:51, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Maniac history

I'd like to question which is the correct history of the song Maniac. This page says it was written for the movie. The page for the song says his wife mistakenly sent to the movie people, inferring that maybe it had already been written before the movie came about. Meve Stills (talk) 19:34, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

There is a history of the song on Songfacts, but Songfacts is not considered to be a reliable source. It is often said that Maniac in the film was a modified version of a song that Sembello had already written.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 06:13, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Then maybe the Maniac page should be corrected, or at least made to line up with the info presented on this page? Meve Stills (talk) 14:25, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

It is a question of sourcing. Songfacts isn't considered to be a WP:RS because a lot of it is user generated. There are other articles about the song's origins here, here and here. They all give slightly different versions of how the song came about, but are agreed that the song had existed prior to Flashdance and was modified to be used in the film.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 14:49, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

History of B-Boying/ Rocksteady

This article should be updated to include that Flashdance was an important movie in that it brought B-Boying (known thereafter in the press as breakdancing) to a world wide audience. The dance crew that the main character watches in the park is the original Rock Steady crew from The Bronx who launched this artform.

https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Rock_Steady_Crew — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:147:C002:D83A:9119:D26F:59A4:1D1D (talk) 23:35, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

This would require a reliable source. Flashdance is notable as one of the first Hollywood films to feature breakdancing, but it was starting to become a popular phenomenon in the early 1980s.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 05:40, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

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Lead

In the spirit of WP:LEAD, I endeavoured to develop the lead of this (generally C-rated) dance-film page, while making some related additions/modifications to the main text along the way [sometimes importing concepts from Adrian Lyne and Marine Jahan, in at least one case it appears with a possible RS issue]. [5]. While I make no pretence that all the changes were above fair criticism/improvement (and I'm always glad to discuss/revise constructively :) I believe that the expanded lead contained some significant improvements. Following some reversion of my work I have tried to restore to the lead content that I believe is both pertinent and reliably sourced, again in the spirit of WP:LEAD etc. [6] @Ianmacm: Though I do admit to some "reversion fatigue" (to coin a phrase), I remain open, I think, to discussing concerns arising here on the article's talk page, and helping to make consensual revisions to the text. 86.190.132.158 (talk) 17:02, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Production

"The film was shot over a period of three months beginning on October 18, 1982 and ending on December 30, 1982."

That is not three months.

--2.207.126.48 (talk) 22:02, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

It is a period of 74 days, so it isn't quite three months, more like two and a half months. I've adjusted the wording.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 06:38, 31 July 2020 (UTC)