Talk:Flag of Saudi Arabia/Archive 1

Archive 1

Use on other items

Although pictures are hard to come by the flag is quite clearly displayed on the aircraft of the Royal Saudi Air Force.

-- Nick Wallis 17:05, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

There is no "la" at the beginning of the phrase. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.168.216.230 (talk • contribs) 21:27, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

IFIS Code

I am changing the IFIS code from "" (Flag has different designs on its obverse side and its reverse side) to "" (Reverse side is congruent to obverse side). The design on the back isn't different, it's just not reflected. On the flags of USA, France, Australia, etc, the design goes from hoist to fly, so it's reflected on the reverse. On the Saudi flag, the design is text, so it runs right to left on both sides. -- Randall Bart <wiki@randallbart.com> 00:20, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Ah, but the sword is reflected, such that it always points from hoist to fly, making the two sides different. Doesn't that aspect, combined with the non-reflected text, make it ""? --ScottMainwaring 15:57, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes. JPD (talk) 13:06, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

I stand corrected.-- Randall Bart <wiki@randallbart.com> 01:34, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

لا إله إلا الله محمد رسول الله

This looks nothing like the inscription on the flag. Is this really it? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.89.165.90 (talk) 22:28, 12 December 2006 (UTC).

it is in defrent scribt it called خط الثلثAlrassking 11:22, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

No civil flag?

The page implies that the flag, on land, is restricted to use by state and military institutions. Is there no flag approved for civilian use ()? --ScottMainwaring 15:17, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

For the civil flag, see an older version of this page: http://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Flag_of_Saudi_Arabia&oldid=83524108 Fvdham 12:16, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Error?

Variant of the flag in use from 1932 to 1934 with white stripe on the hoist.

The caption and image for the variant of the flag on the left don't seem to correspond. The text states that the white stripe is on the hoist but picture shows the sword is pointing towards it. Is this correct? Stanstaple (talk) 20:41, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Green? 330C? Huh?

The article states: "The green used in the flag is 330C", but fails to note with which colour scale/chart/list the colour 330C is being associated. --Blake the bookbinder (talk) 16:38, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Symbolism of the sword

At the risk of being politically incorrect the sword on the flag has been the subject of speculation and misunderstanding by outsiders. The article really does not address the symbolism of the sword (i.e. why that symbol was chosen and what it is specifically intended to convey). Seems an significant omission.

--Mcorazao (talk) 19:53, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Reverse Flag Image

I think there should be another image of the flag, but reversed, because it is not simply a matter of reversing the entire flag (such as the US flag) but just the sword. It's still a simple task, though, for someone who can make SVGs. You could just reverse the entire bottom half of the obverse flag image (below the text) so the sword would stay centered, but pointing to the right. -- Zyido (talk) 15:57, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

From what I can make out, the reverse is the same as the obverse. But the design is printed the same way round on both sides, rather than the reverse appearing as a mirror image as with most flags. So an image of the reverse would just be the same image again. Essentially, the flag's design is specified in terms of right and left, rather than hoist and fly.

Still, there ought to be some notation we can use to indicate this fact.... -- Smjg (talk) 14:41, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Flag of Saudi Arabia

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Flag of Saudi Arabia's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "law":

• From Flag of Japan: 国旗及び国歌に関する法律
• From Flag of Singapore: "国旗及び国歌に関する法律" (in (in Japanese)). Government of Japan. 1999-08-13. Retrieved 2008-01-17. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |trans_title= ignored (|trans-title= suggested) (help)CS1 maint: unrecognized language (link)

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 14:46, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

This can't be fixed from those articles. The infobox was probably copied from one of them and modified. - Salamurai (talk) 08:14, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Waldorf=Astoria

I don't know why the flag is on the side entrance (next to the American flag), but it's been there since October or November, and I've seen it, but unable to get a picture because I don't have a camera phone. If anyone else wants to investigate, it's the entrance at East 50th Street in Manhattan (between Lexington and Park Avenues). --204.246.229.229 (talk) 21:10, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Still no idea why this flag is significant to the Waldorf=Astoria; now it flies over the hotel's front entrance. --204.246.229.130 (talk) 16:28, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

You can see it on google maps as well

MONODA (talk) 06:09, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

NEVER half mast?

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/saudi-arabia-succession/saudi-arabias-king-abdullah-given-simple-muslim-burial-n291956

This is either a flawed news report, or Saudi Arabia is making up their beliefs as they go along. '''tAD''' (talk) 17:14, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

Disposal

How do Saudis dispose of old flags? Is burying or burning the creed acceptable? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.14.91.136 (talk) 22:12, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

To burning it the old flag G lovely (talk) 00:58, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

1913-1926 flags

@Alhadramy Alkendy: What is the source on the 1913-1921 and 1921-1926 flags? They seem to be unlike what the sources which can be found online says? The files of these flags "cite" a logo of the "King Abdulaziz Foundation for Research and Archives". What does the source presumably found there say about the flags of this period? --Havsjö (talk) 08:20, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

@Havsjö: King Abdulaziz Foundation for Research and Archives official account on Twitter In a tweet (History of the national flag of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia) --Alhadramy Alkendy (talk) 08:37, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

@Alhadramy Alkendy: If its not too much trouble, could you translate what the text in that image says at the different points? Im quite interested --Havsjö (talk) 09:35, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Directionally challenged

This article states "The sword points to the left on both sides, in the direction of the script." yet the pictures at Flags whose reverse differs from the obverse#Saudi Arabia appear to show this is not the case. Based upon the pictures, it appears the text is always written from right to left, while the sword always points from hoist to fly.

The text under one of the photos showing a white stripe on the left side of the flag states "Variant of the flag in use from 1932 to 1934, with white stripe on the hoist." yet above the article states "The flag is sinister hoisted, meaning that it is hoisted to the left of the flagpole, as viewed from the obverse (front) side. (Flagpole is to the right of the flag)." meaning the white strip is actually on the fly side of the flag, not the hoist side. This also appears to be consistent with my assumption above about the sword pointing from hoist to fly.

Having never personally seen the flag before and knowing nothing about it, I am not going to change the article, but it would be nice if someone who actually knows what they are talking about could weigh in. --Pascal⁶⁶⁶ 08:34, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Seven years on, this is stil an issue. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:11, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

These photos [1] [2] of the obverse (hoist on right) show the sword pointing left, hoist-to-fly. Whilst these [3] [4] (and others, Westerners tend to photograph the flag in the position that is familiar to them – I never even knew about the sinister-hoisted convention until I stumbled on this article) of the reverse show the sword still pointing left, fly-to-hoist. (A mirrored version of that reverse-equal symbol would be helpful here.)

Of course flag manufacturers don’t always "get it right", so there could be examples out there with the sword the other way around. It would be great if someone could find a definitive reference.

— Pelagic ( messages ) – (09:20 Sat 07, AEST) 23:20, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

I haven’t had any luck finding real-world photos of the armed-forces ensigns. I guess one does not simply walk up to a military base and photograph their flag. Pelagic ( messages ) – (09:42 Sat 07, AEST) 23:42, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

This page from the official Saudi armed forces site [5] has a rotating carousel where some photos show a table-top navy flag with the canton in the hoist, which agrees with our article, and differs from some stock images on the interwebs. Pelagic ( messages ) – (10:16 Sat 07, AEST) 00:16, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Saudi flag change

The flag’s source must be from a government website https://laws.boe.gov.sa/BoeLaws/Laws/Viewer/915b2789-5a28-405a-b09e-102ffd2abcdb?lawId=03de5462-eda0-4dd6-9efa-a9a700f1f802 and therefore the flag must be changed from the current one to https://www.britannica.com/topic/flag-of-Saudi-Arabia which is very similar to the government’s institution or at least an edited version that can be same to the government’s one but the color must be darker. Aziz bm (talk) 10:07, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

@Azia: Before anybody blindly copies anything from Britannica, please keep in mind that the government has unofficially endorsed flags from Wikimedia Commons by using them on its own website.

• See the flag depicted at this English language site [6]. It is an exact (byte for byte) copy of a 2020 version of File:Flag of Saudi Arabia.svg. The specific version was uploaded to Wikimedia Commons by user:FDRMRZUSA on October 27,2020.
• See the flag depicted on the equivalent Arabic language site [7]. This one is a PNG image that appears to have been converted from a 2006 version of File:Flag of Saudi Arabia.svg. The specific version was uploaded to Wikimedia Commons by User:Denelson83 on February 16,2006.

Also, please be aware that the dimensions of the Shahada and the sword in Britannica's version of the flag do not match the dimensions defined in Royal Decree No. M/3. MapGrid (talk) 12:43, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

@MapGrid:

Are you assuming that (Construction Sheet) is More credibility than (Britannia) ? Also, keep in mind that all governments/World Organizations are using flags from Wikipedia because it’s the first result once you type it on the search bar.

The reason why i’m calling for change is because the flag that was showed on the constitution /royal palaces/government territories and the protocols are not the same as it appears on Wikipedia and they’re more closer to the Royal Decree/Britannia one, here you go

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Also be aware that the Shahada and sword on this version do not match the dimensions defied in Royal Decree and therefore you need to Create a copy version of the Royal decree version either by photoshop or other tools. Aziz bm (talk) 16:55, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

@Aziz bm: Yes; I give Britannica zero credibility because it applied some scaling factor to both the Shahada and the sword which makes them bigger than they are supposed to be.

On both File:Flag of Saudi Arabia.svg and File:Flag of Saudi Arabia (type 2).svg the outer dimensions of the Shahada and sword are correct.

I see you started a new conversation at c:File talk:Flag of Saudi Arabia.svg. This entire conversation should have been there in the first place. MapGrid (talk) 04:15, 14 June 2022 (UTC)