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This article is written in South African English, which has its own spelling conventions (colour, realise, analyse) and some terms that are used in it may be different or absent from other varieties of English. According to the relevant style guide, this should not be changed without broad consensus.

Incorrect flag

The flag image shown is incorrect as it uses the new design for governors of British overseas territories. The old design (like the flag in this article) was used up until the 1990s. The main difference is the size of the central circle and the lack of a gold perimeter. I also doubt that the complete coat of arms was included in the circle.

One source: http://www.crwflags.com/FOTW/FLAGS/zw_srgov.html

Is there any source that backs-up the flag shown in this article???

Mjb1981 (talk) 13:56, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

To supplement the above, the differences in the old and new designs can be seen below:

Old design	New design	Flag from article

Mjb1981 (talk) 22:28, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It appears the article has now been changed. - Jarry1250 ^{(t, c)} 19:52, 20 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Flag at the Olympics

The blue ensign seems to have been in use at the 1972 Olympics. Maybe this needs a background explaination. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP_agDIx7aM

@Fry1989: @The C of E: Why did Rhodesia used the pre-1964 dark blue Southern Rhodesian flag in the 1972 Olympics, Instead of using the sky blue Southern Rhodesian flag from 1964? ColorfulSmoke (talk) 22:00, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@ColorfulSmoke: I believe it was because that was the "official" Southern Rhodesia flag that the UK government recognised (the sky blue one was only adopted internally as a little protest about not being given independence) and the IOC required that Rhodesia enter as if they were still a British colony due to the unrecognised UDI. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 08:16, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge proposal

I think "Flag of Southern Rhodesia" should fall under Flag of Rhodesia. ColorfulSmoke (talk) 07:31, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose They are two separate flags covering two separate periods of history. It would be WP:UNDUE to merge the two. Indeed we have separate flag pages for South Africa and its ancidencts and individual flags for other colonies of the British Empire, this is no different. One is of the legal official flag, the other of the "rebel" flag for what was a legally illegal government. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 07:36, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Plus I might add, the current Flag of Rhodesia article is a WP:COATRACK. Aside of the official description, there's very little about the actual green and white flag. There is too much focus on the flags surrounding it here. So if anything, the Flag of Rhodesia page needs to be nuked and rewritten. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 07:39, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - Closed ColorfulSmoke (talk) 07:23, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Category?

@The C of E: Should Category:Flag controversies be placed on this article like Flag of South Africa (1928–1994), Rhodesian and South African flags are both controversial for its white-rule and apartheid history, what do you think? ColorfulSmoke (talk) 22:39, 2 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

South Africa maybe but I'm not too sure about Rhodesia. Also, Rhodesia didn't practice apartheid. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 14:50, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

They practiced various forms of segregation that would certainly make all the Rhodesian-era flags highly controversial to Zimbabweans today. Fry1989 ^eh? 18:03, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That’s a fair remark - however, their polices were mostly based on Rhodes’ dictum of ‘equal rights for all civilized men’, and were based more on developmental differences than race. There was the usual attitude found when one group is on top.

The last poster made an important point, though; Rhodesia did not practice apartheid. Twice, there was a determined effort to introduce it (mostly by the Afrikaners) and the electorate rejected it both times by large majorities. Any discussion of the old regime should make it clear that it was not an apartheid regime.

Incidentaly, the Zimbabwe Rhodesia flag is used by some dissidents who don’t like the current rulers, or their flag, with its Soviet-era symbolism. Drop by the protest outside Zimbabwe House in London, every Saturday, for more info. 2A00:23EE:1578:58D6:E8B9:39FC:CC03:9D0E (talk) 10:12, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question about this Rhodesian flag

@Fry1989: Should the colors on File:Air Force Ensign of Rhodesia (1964–1968).svg be updated? ColorfulSmoke (talk) 04:00, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think so. That Rhodesian Air Force Ensign you linked to was based on the British one before they changed it when they became a republic @ColorfulSmoke:. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 21:48, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry for a very delayed response, I've been very disconnected over the last few months. I don't really know how to answer this. The examples I've seen of the 1964-1968 Rhodesian flag are certainly lighter than the sky blue of the RAF ensign. I would presume that the Rhodesian flag producers of the time would not have made a distinction and just used the same sky blue fabric for both. But In all likelihood, there would have been inconsistencies. Fry1989 ^eh? 18:01, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Zimbabwe Rhodesia flag

What is the meaning of the colors chosen? More info needed. It looks oddly like the Hungarian flag, but that can’t be it, of course. 2A00:23EE:1578:58D6:E8B9:39FC:CC03:9D0E (talk) 10:16, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Public display in Zimbabwe

@Fry1989: @The C of E: Would publicly displaying the Rhodesian flag in Zimbabwe be hate speech just like publicly displaying the 1928–1994 South African flag in South Africa (today), what i'm saying is does Zimbabwe have laws regarding the Rhodesian flag? ColorfulSmoke (talk) 15:30, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@ColorfulSmoke: I don't believe they did pass any law or make any court rulings that declared it illegal. This academic paper (on the last page) seems to suggest it is "completely ignored" in the country these days. But I'm not a Zimbabwean lawyer so I can't give a definitive answer. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 15:38, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]