Talk:Flag of Italy

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Napoleon

It's not red, white and green because Italy was made to copy France's flag, but Napoleon's favourite colour was green? Any truth in this anecdote? Wik idea 14:38, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I seen it repeated, but not with citations at all. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 09:14, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Flag of the kingdom of Italy

The graphic flag of the kingdom of Italy seems to have got detached from the text about the kingdom - it should be moved down next to it, but I don't know how to do it (and I'm too lazy to find out). Nick boyd (talk) 18:03, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

gif of italian flag vs mexican flag

Now is animated. I think it's better. carlo 17:49, 11 june 2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.32.34.167 (talk)

The design part says a "defaced" tricolor

I don't know if defaced is flag terminology but it seems to be vandalism to me. Probably antifascist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.27.241.137 (talk) 11:18, 17 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The word defaced in flag terminology means the addition of a symbol to an existing flag. I.E. The Acadian flag is a French flag defaced with a star that represents Stella Maris (Star of the Sea). 204.82.33.41 (talk) 13:33, 14 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

bandiere

Lo scrivo in italiano sperando che qualcuno comprenda.

La prima bandiera è giusta, è quella nazionale.

Nel box la seconda bandiera e quella della marina (naval flag) per usi civili.

La terza è quella della marina militare (navy force flag). 79.17.214.33 (talk) 08:17, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

And they're not "defaced"!

Teodoro da Torino (talk) 09:00, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Er, yes they are! Chrisieboy (talk) 09:59, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Rendered values

What were you discussing five years ago then? Chrisieboy (talk) 01:20, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There are numerous references for the rendered values on that page, including the only one that matters, the official converter on Pantone's site. If you'd like to use that site as a reference and ALL the values that go with it, be my guest. Otherwise it's unreferenced. ¦ Reisio (talk) 15:20, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Why do you not remove them from the Italian language article then? Chrisieboy (talk) 16:24, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I don't presently speak Italian, so rarely find myself at that particular wiki. ¦ Reisio (talk) 20:28, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

They do seem to be using the correct value, f1f2f1, for the white, however: it:Bandiera_d'Italia#I_colori ¦ Reisio (talk) 21:04, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

What on earth has the Gymnastics Federation of Italy got to do with anything? Chrisieboy (talk) 21:02, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Gymanistics Federation of Italy is the source of the (irrelevant 2003-based) Pantone color values in the PDF you used as a reference. ¦ Reisio (talk) 21:04, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Er, no it isn't. The source is the Italian Ministry of Argricultural, Food and Forestry Policy. Chrisieboy (talk) 21:06, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If you look at the PDF, it cites a Gymnastics Federation of Italy document as its source. The Italian Ministry of Agriculture and Forestry, of course, would also not be an authority on PMS colors/conversion or Italian law, anyways. ¦ Reisio (talk) 21:10, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The threshold for inclusion in the English language Wikipedia is verifiability not veracity. However, I consider the Italian government a reliable source. Chrisieboy (talk) 21:14, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Even so, it's not verifiable because it (the Italian Ministry of Agriculture and Forestry PDF) cites as source a Gymnastics Federation of Italy PDF which cites no source at all (and again, only Italian law and official Pantone conversion systems would be relevant anyways).
It's also simply inapplicable, as it pertains to the PMS values from the older law, not the values we mention in this article. ¦ Reisio (talk) 21:43, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You seem to be confusing verifiability and veracity; it is clearly attributable to a reliable published source. Chrisieboy (talk) 22:12, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It's clearly attributable to the Gymnastics Federation of Italy, and while I question that organization as relevant to the issue (as I would the Italian Ministry of Agriculture and Forestry, if it had values of its own), both organizations are irrelevant, because the PMS values in the documents are for the older 2003 colors, not the 2006 ones. They simply do not apply. ¦ Reisio (talk) 22:40, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No, the reference given in this article is to a Ministry of Argricultural, Food and Forestry Policy manual. Sorry if you don't like what it says! Chrisieboy (talk) 22:50, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't matter what it says after you read that it uses the 2003 PMS values. It becomes at that point irrelevant to the 2006 values. The fact that it says at the end of the PDF that their color information is sourced from a Gymnastics Federation of Italy document is just icing on top. :p ¦ Reisio (talk) 06:42, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Your point about the FGI is immaterial I'm afraid. The claim in this article is sourced to an Italian government publication. It is hardly something that might be "challenged or likely to be challenged" by a reasonable person anyway; the text clearly indicates it is a rendering or approximation "that can be verified by any educated person without specialist knowledge." What exactly is your problem? If you don't like the reference find another one or discuss and try to build a consensus for change. The revision you want is not going to be implemented by edit warring. Chrisieboy (talk) 11:20, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You really aren't getting it, and I mean that earnestly. I will explain much more verbosely:
There has been more than one law dictating the Pantone colors (the "17-6153 TC", "11-0601 TC", & "18-1662 TC" values in the article). An earlier law, in 2003 AFAIK used the color values that are used in your PDF reference — this PDF would be an inferior but wholly acceptable (I suppose) reference for the colors dictated by the 2003 law only; it is not applicable to the colors dictated by the latest 2006 law.
That said, your latest edits have almost fixed it, but not quite. The colors are now properly referenced (to the perbang.dk site), though the official online Pantone converter would be a better choice. One of the inaccurate values for the white conversion has been changed, but not all of them.
We've come far. ¦ Reisio (talk) 03:16, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

With your agenda to replace #FFFFFF with #F1F2F1 maybe—which I suspect this is all about. Why didn't you provide the refs. if you knew where to find them? Chrisieboy (talk) 12:38, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

IIRC, last time I tried that I was reprimanded, and I did tell you where the refs were in my first response above.
At this point, despite your new PDF ref still being completely inapplicable, the data is at least correct. I hope nobody comes by and changes the values because of your link. :p ¦ Reisio (talk) 01:52, 9 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Pantone colors

There is a mention that the colors are defined as Pantone colors, yet those Pantone colors are not mentioned - only RGB, HEX, CMYK etc... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.17.207.92 (talk) 07:22, 1 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The values in the "Number" column in the table here are the Pantone colors. ¦ Reisio (talk) 21:25, 25 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

War flag during the Kingdom

I have again removed the squared war flag in the infobox for the Kingdom of Italy. I haven't been able to find sources for that, and photos such as [1] show the use of the normal ratio in war situations. Please provide a source for the squared flag. Fry1989 ^eh? 21:52, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The war flag is the flag of the army; it is not used as a substitute for the national flag in "war situations". Chrisieboy (talk) 00:02, 20 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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2003–2006 flag

Hi everybody, I have a question about the Italian flag used from 2003 until 2006. I think that the "current" one is quite incorrect, because the Pantone colors (Pantone 18-5642TC, Pantone 11-4201TC, Pantone 18-1660TC) are completely different from the one used in that file. What do you think? -- Nick.mon (talk) 17:36, 14 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

N Incorrect
Y Correct

Note that this has a parallel discussion here. Please comment there. Primefac (talk) 14:30, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Is there really Yellow in the Italian Flag ?

Hi, I am looking at: https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Flag_of_Italy

Under the main graphic, I read << Name Tricolore Use National flag Proportion 2:3 Adopted 18 June 1946 Design A vertical tricolour of green, yellow pages >> but the rest of the article refers to a tricolore of Green, White, Red, and there is no other mention of Yellow on the page.

I do not feel confident about changing this (I very rarely make edits), maybe somebody else can verify and modify it it is wrong. Jsryork (talk) 14:55, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Found in the history this was changed 19:03, 23 September 2019‎ 2600:8805:9080:9a9:c5d2:7d2e:a751:6146, and reversed this malicious/jocular change. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jsryork (talk • contribs)

2003-2006 flag end date

Which date should be considered the official end date of using that version of the flag? Is it 14 April 2006 (the date of the Council Decree), or 28 July 2006 (the date when the decree was published in Gazzetta Ufficiale)? --BlameRuiner (talk) 11:20, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Bold title

@LukeWiller Hi, it seems you have essentialy revered the edit that made the page conformant to MOS:AVOIDBOLD and MOS:REDUNDANCY, but now you added the text with "national flag of Italy" back further down the text, although this is already used in the title (except 'national'). I think it is pretty obvious that the day is dedicated to the flag and does not need to be added. Then the title should not be bold again. PhotographyEdits (talk) 20:05, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@PhotographyEditsOk, revert my edit without any problems. Hi, --LukeWiller (talk) 20:26, 20 February 2022 (UTC).[reply]

Done, thanks for your reply! PhotographyEdits (talk) 20:32, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Style

It seems that a template has been added to this article. I think that makes it incompatible with the Good Article guidelines, so either this whole template is invalid, which I'm not sure about, it should be fixed or the article should be delisted. I would favor one of the first two options here. @LukeWiller, any thoughts? PhotographyEdits (talk) 22:29, 12 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@PhotographyEdits The problem is actually only in the chapters that concerns the history: @Vaselineeeeeeee promised me that soon he will do a copy edit to solve the problem and remove the template. LukeWiller (talk) 22:35, 12 March 2022 (UTC).[reply]

@LukeWiller That sounds great then! :-) PhotographyEdits (talk) 22:38, 12 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Tone template removed after full history section ce. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 23:31, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Flag of the Italian Republic (1946–2003)"

I asked this over on Commons, but got no response: what is the source for the colors of this flag? It's my understanding that the flag's colors were only standardized in 2003 and then revised in 2006 to the current ones. Shouldn't the 2003-2006 colors be retroactively applied since they're the earliest standardization then? Pescavelho (talk) 23:02, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]