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A fact from First siege of Gibraltar appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 18 July 2012 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the Siege of Gibraltar of 1309 was a battle of the Reconquista which saw a Castilian victory ending almost 600 years of Muslim rule over the city of Gibraltar?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2012/July. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Siege of Gibraltar (1309).

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Nice translation

If its possible to find an inline ref for every paragagraph then it would look good on the font page. Anyway... well done! Victuallers (talk) 18:42, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Victuallers, Thanks, yeah should be very possible, will keep working on it with Gibmetal. Best, ClarkSui (talk)

Not sure why the internet link for the reference on the papal bull under Castilian Mobilization and in the bibliography section is not showing up. Any thoughts? - ClarkSui (talk)

Image

I again removed the image File:Espada jineta nazarí (M.A.N. Madrid) 02.jpg, which was described as "A contemporary Moorish Jineta sword hilt". The sword is dated by the museum as being from the 15th century, not the early 14th century, so about a hundred years later than the siege[Museo%20Arqueol%F3gico%20Nacional]. Weapons technology was not that stable that a hundred years doesn't make any difference. Fram (talk) 07:05, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough Fram, but can you find a suitable photo for the infobox? I'm trying but struggling... --Gibmetal 77^{talk 2 me} 20:18, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Not directly. I tried to find a good free image of a contemporary weapon, but couldn't find it. Fram (talk) 07:15, 12 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Muhammad III's deposition in the aftermath

The aftermath section linked the defeat and the subsequent concessions by Granada to the deposition of Muhammad III, citing the work of Frederick Sayer (1865). I think this account is no longer accepted by more recent scholarship, simply because Muhammad III was deposed earlier (either March or April) in 1309 before the fall of Gibraltar (September).^[1]^[2] If there's no objection I'm going to go ahead and remove it.

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^ Harvey, L. P. (1992). Islamic Spain, 1250 to 1500. Chicago: University of Chicago Press. p. 170. ISBN 978-0-226-31962-9. In the palace revolution of March 14, 1309, ... Muhammad was replaced by his brother Nasr, but was allowed to depart to take up residence at Almuñécar {{cite book}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)
^ Mann, J. H. (1873). "XVII: The First Siege". A History of Gibraltar and its Sieges (2nd ed.). University of California: Provost. pp. 139–140. It is alleged that this surrender of territory and money to the Christians reacted against the Moorish king, insomuch as his brother, Nasr, conspired against him, and he was compelled to abdicate by a tumult in the city, .... This story does not support the account given by Ayala, who makes the dethronement of Mohammed to have happened in April, 1309, and the siege of Algeciras to have been begun by Ferdinand IV., in a.h. 709, i.e. after June 10 in that year, and, consequently, not in the reign of Mohammed III., but in that of his dethroner and brother Nasr

[1] Harvey, L. P. (1992). Islamic Spain, 1250 to 1500. Chicago: University of Chicago Press. p. 170. ISBN 978-0-226-31962-9. In the palace revolution of March 14, 1309, ... Muhammad was replaced by his brother Nasr, but was allowed to depart to take up residence at Almuñécar {{cite book}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)

[2] Mann, J. H. (1873). "XVII: The First Siege". A History of Gibraltar and its Sieges (2nd ed.). University of California: Provost. pp. 139–140. It is alleged that this surrender of territory and money to the Christians reacted against the Moorish king, insomuch as his brother, Nasr, conspired against him, and he was compelled to abdicate by a tumult in the city, .... This story does not support the account given by Ayala, who makes the dethronement of Mohammed to have happened in April, 1309, and the siege of Algeciras to have been begun by Ferdinand IV., in a.h. 709, i.e. after June 10 in that year, and, consequently, not in the reign of Mohammed III., but in that of his dethroner and brother Nasr

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