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Requested move 17 May 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Page moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Jerm (talk) 21:39, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Fiat Automobiles → Fiat – Per WP:COMMONNAME, it is simply known as "Fiat". 2601:8C:4580:A1A0:488B:BA9D:A032:6686 (talk) 21:28, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support — The last discussion of this (above) had too few participants, and got hung up on the title FIAT in all caps, which is a separate issue, and yes, the MOS would render it as Fiat, not FIAT, but otherwise any argument that Fiat Automobiles is correct per COMMONNAME is misguided. Preferring Fiat is a textbook example of the common name guideline. Nobody uses the term "Fiat Automobiles", everyone just says Fiat, even the most formal reliable sources. Any arguments that Fiat Automobiles is the "official" name are irrelevant. What has to go on legal documents matters not at all for Wikipedia. It should have been Fiat from day 1 and never should have been moved. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 21:58, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support. It's known worldwide as Fiat. The actual official name is FIAT which is an abbreviation and not a word, but no one ever calls it that. There is even a Finnish joke saying "Osta Fiat, siinä on kaikki viat", meaning "Buy a Fiat, it has all the faults". It wouldn't work with the abbreviation. JIP | Talk 00:16, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

According to the article itself, the official name is "Fiat Automobiles", not "FIAT". 94.21.252.238 (talk) 05:57, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The article also says "originally FIAT, Italian: Fabbrica Italiana Automobili Torino, lit. 'Italian Automobiles Factory, Turin')". Also, please do not modify other people's comments. JIP | Talk 08:24, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry about that, my cursor must have slipped, I meant it (the rationale per WP:COMMONNAME) to be part of my own comment. Saying it was the official name is different from saying it is. 94.21.252.238 (talk) 01:39, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support as per COMMONNAME, Also yes I was wrong to previously !Oppose per COMMONNAME - I was simply trying to get a main RFC going for all manufacturers (IE Ford, Hyundai, etc etc etc) and had to oppose for something, Anyway they've always been referred to as Fiat commonly IRL and online, Easy support. –Davey2010^Talk 00:23, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support as I did (different IP) in previous discussion. It's a little odd to say that that got "hung up" about FIAT being in all caps when that was the proposed destination. 94.21.252.238 (talk) 05:57, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support Fiat is the most common used name, FIAT is a historic name, Fiat Automobiles is an official but not commonly used name. YBSOne (talk) 11:47, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support. WP:COMMONNAME and WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. -- Necrothesp (talk) 17:36, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support per Ford Red Slash 17:13, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose conflicts with Fiat money. I think nothing wrong with having "Automobiles" in the article name. Jtbobwaysf (talk) 18:00, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- It conflicts with several things. None of which are anywhere near as notable as the car manufacturer. -- Necrothesp (talk) 21:45, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Expand

The entry needs to be expanded; the corresponding Wikipedia page in Italian is much longer, especially the "History" section. JackkBrown (talk) 00:22, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Fiat logo colours

(See diff); Fma12, as an Italian I have never seen this coloured logo. JacktheBrown (talk) 12:40, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

replying @JackkBrown: I did not cite imaginary or fake sources but official sites. What what makes you think that the logo is "not official"?. I'd like reading other users opinions about it. Fma12 (talk) 20:32, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Fma12: I have modified the comment, let me explain better: since I can't find any newspaper articles about this logo change, it seems very strange to me that Fiat now has a coloured logo. JacktheBrown (talk) 20:41, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, but I have shown you the sources. You can't find strange the change of colours but it is a fact. And this change is dated more than a year ago so it seems to be a long term for a "temporary" logo. Fma12 (talk) 11:26, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, @JackkBrown: I found these sources referring to the new colors: Clásicos al volante (car news) and Stellantis media news (titled "FIAT’s color palette is enriched with two new shades", dated Aug 2023).

Both articles explain with details the reasons for the addition of such colors. I think they are enough proof to consider the logo 'official' and keep it on the infobox until the company decides to change it, of course. Fma12 (talk) 11:34, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Fma12: all right. JacktheBrown (talk) 12:33, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]