Talk:Fernando Ricksen

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Neck

I removed the neck stamping accusation - for such a thing to go into an article (an accusation) it needs much better sourcing compared to a tabloid expose :) --Errant Tmorton166^(Talk) 18:23, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

While you're looking for acceptable sources (as I'm sure you are), would you hunt out a couple on his drink driving conviction in 2001 and his late-night-firework-party assault in '03? Save me some time. Thanks 90.207.105.117 (talk) 19:19, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

you have just admitted you are cherry picking sources in an attempt to damage a person through their Wikipedia BLP(Monkeymanman (talk) 19:21, 31 July 2010 (UTC))[reply]

No, I make no commitment to look sources out, sorry. --Errant Tmorton166^(Talk) 19:25, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Editorial

Please report facts neutrally and with neutral wording; avoid POV remarks, editorial, synth and non-neutral wording per policy. --Errant Tmorton166^(Talk) 11:41, 4 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know why 'Consternation' is giving you this difficulty. I think it's a perfectly neutral (mild, even) reflection of the source. He was "given a rocket". Throwing the fully-clothed club supremo into a swimming pool is hardly going to result in anything but consternation. It's not even remotely contentious. 90.207.105.117 (talk) 12:16, 4 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's editorial wording based on the source. We are here to report facts nothing more. The current wording is not supported at all by the source; for a start "aroused consternation" is extremely vague and makes no statement about who was anxious about the act. We certainly can't make it as a general statement about public feeling! We should be going for dry, sparse prose. I've told you this a number of times - as have others. --Errant Tmorton166^(Talk) 12:26, 4 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've reworded it to be a lot clearer. --Errant Tmorton166^(Talk) 12:31, 4 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

new reversion

I have reverted your last addition; grammar, overlink (i.e. uneeded refs), and the sentence saw him abstain from alcohol this is mentioned in his personal life section and is uneeded at this point (unless you are tying to add negative material at any possible opportunity)Monkeymanman (talk) 19:25, 9 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I can't see it mentioned in the personal section that he abstained from alcohol that season? The source reports this as a notable contributory factor in his good form, I don't see why we should pretend otherwise. 90.200.240.178 (talk) 19:30, 9 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

its strange that you have included it there, if not only to add more negative material to a positive note.Monkeymanman (talk) 19:50, 9 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please WP:AGF. Its inclusion here is no more strange than its inclusion in the relevant coverage from the BBC and broadsheet sheet newspapers. That is why it is going back in. Remember that we are only here to reflect the reliable sources, fairly and proportionately. Whether we think material 'negative' to the football team we might support or the sectarian worldview we might have should have no bearing on matters. Remember that we are here to act as a biographer, not a PR person or a fluffer. 90.200.240.178 (talk) 20:03, 9 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, i AGF as far as i can but when you fire accusations around like you continually do, then my good faith runs out very quickly. If you had included it into the personal life section then i would agree with it. Monkeymanman (talk) 20:07, 9 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

i have included it in the relevant place.Monkeymanman (talk) 20:15, 9 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Why should it be hidden away at the bottom of the article when it's to do with season 04/5 and his share of the PFA Award? You will note that this section opened with an accusation from you. 90.200.240.178 (talk) 20:19, 9 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Again, i recommend that you go through the relevant dispute resolution with this if for some reason you are still unhappy.Monkeymanman (talk) 20:21, 9 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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