Talk:Federalist Party (Argentina)
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[edit]hi matt! I think this looks great so far. my main suggestion is to add descriptive detail where you can (as objectively as possible, obvi) just so the article flows a little more smoothly. great work!! Isabelbartholomew (talk) 00:40, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
Name change
[edit]The title of this article should be changed. My prefence is Federalist Party (Argentina). The possible choices are:
- Federalist Party (Argentina) – used by most English sources, especially recent ones. This is currently a red link.
- Federal Party (Argentina) – used by some English sources, mostly older (name currently in use for something else)
- Partido Federal – the Spanish name; used by a minority of English sources; currently a disambig page
- Federales (Argentina) – current name; used by some English sources, usually when talking about supporters
Note that a distinct rightist minority political party established in Argentina in 1973 goes by the same name. There is no article for it, but Spanish Wikipedia lists it as es:Partido Federal (1973), to distinguish it from their article about this topic.
The 19th century Partido Federal in Argentina, so named for its espousal of federalism, is known in English resources as either the "Federal party" or the "Federalist party", and occasionally by its Spanish name. They were ideologically opposed to the Partido Unitario (Unitarian Party). The federalist system of government was embodied by the Argentine Confederation from 1835 to 1852. For an example, here's an excerpt that uses "Federalist":
After the defeat of Urquiza in the 1861 battle of Pavón, the new national government, controlled by the Unitarians of Buenos Aires, launched several military expeditions to impose its military and political authority over the Argentine interior, where the majority of the provinces were held by the Federalist Party. The Federalists' response were diverse.[1]
Other examples of "Federalist" party abound and are similar.[2][3][4][5][6] Examples of "Federal Party" are harder to find. One can be seen in this exerpt:
Bernardino Rivadavia became the leader of the Unitary party and later (1826-27) Argentina's first president. ... provincianos, characterized by a pious Catholicism and strong localistic regionalism, underlay the Federal party of the provinces.[7]
Other examples of "Federal Party" exist, but are mostly about the 1973 party, not this one. References that use "Federal Party" for the 19th c. party are difficult to find, and are mostly found in older sources, like the 1895 Brittanica,[8] with the example above from 1953 being one of the more recent ones.
In an Argentine context, the term "federales" is used more rarely in English sources. When it is, it usually just names supporters of one of the two major political currents in the country at the time, namely, those who were opposed to the unitarios, without referring to a specific party at all, in the same way that discussions about "conservatives" or "liberals" in U.S. politics usually do not indicate adherents of a particular political party, even though those terms typically line up with one of the two major parties (Republicans or Democrats). An example:
This division between the city and the country settled into a pattern in which political leaders generally sided either with the unitarios, who favored a strong central government, or the federales, who favored independence for the provinces.[9]
I suspect that this name was chosen for the article for a couple of reasons: first, because in the original version, and even now, it's more about describing the federales as one of the two overarching political philosophies in the country, i.e., "supporters of federalism" as the first sentence says, [10] than it is about a political party; and secondly, at the time this article was created in 2006 the title "Federal Party (Argentina)" which they might have chosen otherwise, was already in use for another Argentine party (in a one-sentence stub, for which actual party, it isn't even clear). Searching the first five pages (50 results) of Google book results in English, I couldn't find a non-Wiki or mirrored use of "federales" to refer to the party or its supporters.
I think the evidence strongly supports a rename to Federalist Party (Argentina). Mathglot (talk) 01:39, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
References
- ^ Ariel de la Fuente (25 October 2000). Children of Facundo: Caudillo and Gaucho Insurgency during the Argentine State-Formation Process (La Rioja, 1853-1870). Durham, North Carolina: Duke University Press. p. 11. ISBN 0-8223-8019-6. Retrieved 14 June 2018.
- ^ Nicolas Shumway (18 March 1993). The Invention of Argentina. University of California Press. p. 113. ISBN 978-0-520-08284-7. Retrieved 14 June 2018.
- ^ Richard A. Crooker (2009). Argentina. Infobase Publishing. p. 40. ISBN 978-1-4381-0481-2.
- ^ John Lynch (2001). Argentine Dictator. Rowman & Littlefield. p. 10. ISBN 978-0-8420-2898-1.
- ^ Ori Preuss (29 January 2016). Transnational South America: Experiences, Ideas, and Identities, 1860s-1900s. Routledge. p. 22. ISBN 978-1-317-43521-1.
- ^ Charles Eugene Little (1900). Cyclopedia of Classified Dates: With an Exhaustive Index, by Charles E. Little...for the Use of Students of History, and for All Persons who Desire Speedy Access to the Facts and Events, which Relate to the Histories of the Various Countries of the World, from the Earlist Recorded Dates. Funk & Wagnalls Company. p. 490.
- ^ George I. Blanksten (1953). Perón's Argentina. University of Chicago Press. p. 22. Retrieved 14 June 2018.
- ^ The Encyclopædia Britannica: A Dictionary of Arts, Sciences, and General Literature, with New Maps and Original American Articles by Eminent Writers. Vol. II. Chicago: Werner. 1895. p. 491. Retrieved 14 June 2018.
- ^ Streissguth, Thomas (November 2002). Argentina in Pictures. Minneapolis: Twenty-First Century Books. p. 30. ISBN 978-0-8225-0372-9. Retrieved 14 June 2018.
- ^ Original 2006 version: "Federals (Spanish Federales) was the name under which the supporters of federalism in Argentina were known..."
"Federales (Argentina" listed at Redirects for discussion
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The redirect Federales (Argentina has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 1 § Federales (Argentina until a consensus is reached. Utopes (talk / cont) 14:46, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
Right wing and left wing distinctions
[edit]We should stop using the term right wing and left wing to refer to federalists and unitarians respectively.
No historian has ever said that, is just stupid.
The unitarian party membership, at least in its early years, had strong monarchical convictions, the federalists were always pretty democratic. The unitarian party believed in census suffrage, the federalists, in universal suffrage. The unitarian party was economically liberal, while the federalists were protectionists. The unitarian party was, also, really racist. (The federalists too, but unitarians were more combative in their borders policy against indians) Both parties where supported by economic elites, but federalists were also supported by the masses.
These points reflect how this distinction is diffused and a childish simplification. EmpyrosHunyadi (talk) 23:06, 3 November 2024 (UTC)