Talk:Federalism in the Philippines

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Politics section -- original research?

This edit, making an unsupported change to content in this section, caught my eye. Backing off from that specific edit a bit to look at the section as a whole, I get the impression that it is WP:OR, and I've tagged the section. Perhaps all it needs is some supporting cites. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 07:58, 13 February 2016 (UTC).[reply]

Apparent problem(s?) with the map

From the source supporting the table containing the map (see [1]):

The State of Southern Mindanao shall comprise the provinces of Agusan del Sur, Surigao del Sur, Compostela Valley, Davao, Davao Oriental, Davao del Sur, South Cotabato, Sarangani, Cotabato and Sultan Kudarat and all the cities, municipalities and barangays therein.
The State of the BangsaMoro shall comprise the provinces of Lanao del Sur, Maguindanao, (Shariff Kabunsuan)’, Basilan, Sulu, and Tawi-Tawi and all the cities, municipalities and barangays therein.

The map doesn't seem to depict this (compare with {{Provinces of the Philippines image map}}); it looks like it shows Cotabato in BangsaMoro instead of in Southern Mindanao. I haven't looked for other possible issues. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 07:14, 4 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

According to the source, specific provinces are named as the composition of a specific proposed state. In the case of Cotabato city, according to the page is administratively part of Soccsksargen but geographically within Maguindanao but sometimes considered part of Cotabato province in statistics. But the source says and all the cities, municipalities and barangays therein. Given if we assume Cotabato city to be part of the Soccsksargen, Soccsksargen or ARMM is not mentioned in the proposed composition of states of a federal Philippines. The problem is Cotabato City doesn't seem to be under a province in both the Soccsksargen or ARMM region.

Isabela, Basilan is different since it is under Basilan province administratively despite being grouped with Zamboanga region. The joint resolution is clear that all municipalities and cities under Basilan are to be under BangsaMoro. Thanks for bringing up the concern.Hariboneagle927 (talk) 09:49, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand how Cotabato City enters into this. According to the cited supporting source for the table in this article which contains the map, the province of Cotabato (not Cotabato City, about which its article says, "Now many sources consider the city as part of the present Cotabato province, although geographically it is still considered part of Maguindanao."). The cited supporting source for the table in this article which contains the map says that the province of Cotabato (not Cotabato City) would be included in the State of Southern Mindanao (identified as J on the map). However, the map in the article shows it as being included in the State of the BangsaMoro (identified as K on the map). It still appears to me as if the map does not agree with the source cited in its support. When the supporting source says, "and all the cities, municipalities and barangays therein", the "there" part of the "therein" refers, as I understand it, to the provinces named there -- in this case, to Cotabato province. It does not necessarily refer to the similarly named but geographically distant Cotabato City, which is geographically located in Maguindanao province and is not "contained therein" within Cotabato province. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 12:28, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

2018 proposals

@Hariboneagle927 and Wtmitchell: Since this is becoming a thing now, I was thinking to start creating an article about this. So should we? If so, we could add in the effects to the 2019 elections and the major changes. Idk but I feel like this proposal/change would be a major thing. Typhoon2013 (talk) 07:56, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I think there is enough material on the matter to warrant a separate article. And the reform itself is notable imo, whether it gets implemented in the end or not. Plus, the proposed charter change also include amendments not inherent to federalism such as the shift to parliamentary form of the government. Such article could be titled Constitutional reform under Rodrigo Duterte, unless a better title could be come up.Hariboneagle927 (talk) 10:59, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I'll try structuring it somewhere today and think of the name of the article. Typhoon2013 (talk) 23:28, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]