Talk:Fear of Flying (novel)

Novels Low‑importance

	Novels portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Novels, an attempt to build a comprehensive and detailed guide to novels, novellas, novelettes and short stories on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and contribute to the general Project discussion to talk over new ideas and suggestions.NovelsWikipedia:WikiProject NovelsTemplate:WikiProject Novelsnovel
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.
	This article has an incomplete infobox template! - see Novels InfoboxCode or Short Story InfoboxCode for a pattern.

Gender studies Low‑importance

This article is part of WikiProject Gender studies. This WikiProject aims to improve the quality of articles dealing with gender studies and to remove systematic gender bias from Wikipedia. If you would like to participate in the project, you can choose to edit this article, or visit the project page for more information.Gender studiesWikipedia:WikiProject Gender studiesTemplate:WikiProject Gender studiesGender studies

Low

This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

To-do list:

Here are some tasks awaiting attention:

Assess : see Unassessed Gender studies articles and Unknown-importance Gender studies articles
Cleanup : edit to see
Collaborate : see /Collaboration
Copyedit : edit to see
Deletion sorting : see /Sexuality and gender
Expand : edit to see
Infobox : see Gender studies articles needing infoboxes
Merge : edit to see
Notability : edit to see
NPOV : edit to see
Orphans : Brannon Masculinity Scale · Holy Virility · Media and gender · Michael Kaufman (author) · Women's education in Saudi Arabia
Photo : see Wikipedia requested photographs of gender studies
Split : History of feminism
Stubs : see Gender studies stubs
Translate : see /translation
Update : edit to see
Verify : Riot grrrl
Needs attention : see Gender studies articles needing attention

Sexology and sexuality Low‑importance

	Human sexuality portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Sexology and sexuality, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of human sexuality on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Sexology and sexualityWikipedia:WikiProject Sexology and sexualityTemplate:WikiProject Sexology and sexualitySexology and sexuality
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Women writers Low‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Women writers, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of women writers on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Women writersWikipedia:WikiProject Women writersTemplate:WikiProject Women writersWomen writers
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

[Untitled]

_ _ The article says

its then-controversial attitudes towards feminism and female sexuality.

I note here that IMO it's appropriate to write stubs based on very light original research, i.e., documenting what you've heard or what you (think you) learned by reading (or reading within), e.g., the novel in question.
_ _ That said, the phrase above asserts that:

Jong incontestably went beyond merely portraying a form of female sexuality (i.e., the erotic lives of women, and for any particular woman, whatever she experiences as inseparable from her erotic life) to clearly express (not just arguably hint at) a specific view on some species of belief that
- women as women have historically been and continue to be subordinated to men, in ways beyond the erotic, and
- women consciously acting as women and in concert with other women can change or ameliorate that, and
the book's "attitudes" (figurative attitudes: books can suggest that they are expressive of the attitudes of their authors and/or characters, but they are incapable of having attitudes), in both areas,
- were then controversial (which i believe is hard to contest at least in the case of "female sexuality") but
- are now so nearly universal that former critics appear (at best) resigned to having lost those arguments.

While the book is certainly relevant to feminist history, it is neither obvious nor in evidence that it "knows about" its potential for relevance; as to controversy, i agree that it obviously was but think the evidence weighs on the side of continuing controversy.
_ _ For the moment and pending possible verification of parts of the old language (especially if she used the words "feminism" or "feminist" in the first edition, or was the first to make the connection to feminism outside its covers), i'm substituting

which became famously controversial for its attitudes towards female sexuality, and figured in the development of feminism

(which seems pretty likely, but could still use verification).
--Jerzy•t 16:47, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Why the name "Fear of Flying"?

To improve the article, it might be a good idea to explain the significance of the title. Dzint.dzilna (talk) 19:19, 17 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The expression "Fear of Flying" has been explained in this article as being both literally due to having to be airborne with inappropriate companions, and of having to become independent and self-inventive rather than dependent on past memories. Macrocompassion (talk) 10:11, 8 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Plot summary

It might be a good idea for someone who has read it to give a plot summary 75.99.42.117 (talk) 13:56, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Then again, it might not. The historic significance of the book is sufficiently described. Plot summaries are overrated. Wegesrand (talk) 22:19, 5 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Logic

The article says, "Despite Jong's claims to the contrary, Isadora Wing's origins in fact may be more than a sum of autobiographical elements." What exactly is "the contrary"? Did Jong claim that Isadora Wing's origins are less than or equal to a sum of autobiographical elements? That's what the sentence suggests. Wegesrand (talk) 22:19, 5 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

What Jong claimed is in the sentence before the one you quoted, "Jong has denied that the novel is autobiographical but admits that it has autobiographical elements." Maybe you are having problems with the word "sum". If so, change it to something else such as "assemblage". HairyWombat 05:24, 25 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 2 external links on Fear of Flying (novel). Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 01:29, 29 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Vienna, Germany

It should be noted that Wing's destination is not Germany, as Vienna is the capitol of Austria. Her and Goodlove spend time by Austrian, not German, pools. Kittycat79 (talk) 16:26, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]