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Did you know... that the Palestinian village of al-Fasayil is the site of the ancient village of Phasaelis founded by Herod the Great in dedication to his brother Phasael?

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Comments from User:Peterd2010 (mv from article)

EDIT #1: Phasaelis was built by Herod the Great as part of his expansion of the Jordan Valley. It was one of several way stations/rest stops on the Jericho-Scythopolis road. It was built entirely on his estate and called "Phasaelis" after his elder brother, Phasael. the tower to memorialise his brother's death was built after the site was built.

EDIT #2: Josephus wasn't the "Roman historian" who placed Phasaelis south of Archelais. That was Ptolemais. Josephus locates Archelais at the end of the aqueduct of Nerea, a location south of Phasaelis, making Phasaelis north of Archelais. The Madaba Map shows the correct location - north of Archelais. See the link to the Madaba Map for the correct information and discussion. User:Peterd2010

Notes to myself (sources for adding)

1931: 59, 1945: pdf51, 1961: pdf41, 1967: pdf13, WBADB: Y. Porath, A chalcolithic building at Fasa'el, 'Atiqot 17:1-19 (1985); HA 46 (1973):9-12, HA-ESI 112 (2000):53-54. Pringle secular p49. Sharon CIAP3DF p201ff. Van de Velde: Fasail, mentions population. ARIJ Zero^talk 06:47, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Appears in 1922 census? Zero^talk 05:54, 9 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

See p. 19. I wonder if Khan Saliba-Wadi Qelt (=2 Christian males) is St. George's Monastery, Wadi Qelt?

al-Auja, Jericho, An-Nuway'imah and either Ein ad-Duyuk al-Foqa or Ein ad-Duyuk at-Tahta (or both) are all counted together.

Then we have Ka´abnah and Inserat (unknown?), and Fuheitat & Iranait, Huldra (talk) 08:29, 9 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Area B/C and the map

As seen in the map, the lower (main) built-up area of Fasayil is in Area B, while the other parts are in Area C. This causes confusion because articles about the demolition of the houses in Fasayil al-Wusta often refer correctly to Area C without noting that some other parts of Fasayil are in Area B. The map is based on the most detailed UN maps I could find, mostly the OCHA oPt map "West Bank Access Restrictions September 2014", but if anyone finds something more detailed I'll be happy to update the map. Zero^talk 01:41, 9 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

ok, then in order to resolve the contradiction/misleading information, the sections of the article that say Fasayil is in area C and under complete Israeli control need to be modified to refer only to Fasayil al-Wusta When Other Legends Are Forgotten (talk) 00:35, 10 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It appears that Fasayil al-Fauqa and part of Fasayil al-Tahta is also in Area C though. --Al Ameer (talk) 03:37, 10 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

1961 census

On which page is the data found for the 1961 numbers? I cannot find it. The Jericho sub-district is listed under the district of Jerusalem, after the sub-district of Bethlehem, before the sub-district of of Jerusalem. (See pp. 11-12) That should be on p. 23, but I cannot find it there? Huldra (talk) 20:26, 21 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Is it on p. 26, under the Nablus sub-district?? Huldra (talk) 21:01, 21 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Validation of the information

ARIJ, taken as account for the allegedly confiscation of lands by Israeli settlements, is a very poor source of information. This part should be removed - a. there was no village there until late 70's. therefore it can't posses any lands. b. the village sits on the private lands of Abu-Samsam from Nablus. He gave them also the premission to use the waters from the Fasil spring and the agricultural land. c. The lands in use by the settlements were not owned by anyone, and could not be used for agriculture because it had salty soil. Israel made these areas ready for use after 1976.

ARIJ take as the agricultural land of Fasayil the entire area from between Ujjah and Fasayil to the south and up to the line between Jiftlik and Fasayil to the north, while not even 1% of this area was ever used for agriculture.

Furthermore, Fasayil al-Wusta is out of any legal plan and was illegally constructed despite the fact Fasayil has a legal development plan. Fasayil al-Wusta was built during the last 20 years, and cannot be related in any way with Fasayil itself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.31.102.96 (talk) 18:04, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Greek name

I have removed the following:

"‹See Tfd›Greek: Φασαηλίς, Phasaēlís, or Φασηλίς, Phasēlís"

Phaselis, w/o a, is highly unlikely, as the ancient name is derived from Semitic (Nabataean) proper name Phasael. Only plausible by contamination with Greek word - see Φασηλίς at Wiktionary.
Not supported by any of the 3 refs. Google offers no support either, only hit for Phaselis is a Lycian port, where Nabataean etymology out of question, and in a paper repeating word by word former text from this enWiki article, so both circular and zero reliability.

Arminden (talk) 20:20, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]