Talk:Faryl Smith/GA1

GA Review

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1. Well-written: Detailed comments below.
2. Accurate and verifiable:

   YBoth the release date and the sales number in the discography are left unreferenced.

   Release date now referenced, switched the sales figure to one mentioned further up the article. J Milburn (talk) 13:21, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

3. Broad in its coverage

• Article doesn't mention the BGT Tour.

• "She then went on to perform in the Britain's Got Talent Live Tour with the other semi-finalists.[8]" However, I have added another note from a review of the tour. J Milburn (talk) 11:43, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

The line that starts "During the show..." that discusses her singing tutor comes right after the comments you added about the tour. People could mistake this sentence as applying to the tour's show rather than the TV show. - Mgm|^(talk) 10:44, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Done. J Milburn (talk) 20:18, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

• Y"Smith performed at the Royal Albert Hall with Jenkins." Was it some notable event, a concert by Jenkins or something else? I'd like to see more detail.

• It wasn't exactly a notable event, but the press mentioned it and I thought it was an interesting element to the marketing- Universal were trying to show Smith with Jenkins and show them off together. I've clarified that a little in the text. J Milburn (talk) 12:11, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

1. Y Neutral
2. Y Stable
3. Illustrated

YThe article is missing an illustration. What have you tried to get one?

I've emailed Universal, but they haven't replied. I couldn't find any "self taken" shots of her online- just press shots (and they'd never release them). J Milburn (talk) 11:43, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

• Perhaps you can convince the photographer of this flickr photograph to release the image under a free license? - Mgm|^(talk) 10:44, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

• Good find- there was nothing on Flickr last time I checked. I will contact them shortly. J Milburn (talk) 10:55, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

• I've sent a request, but I'm not hopeful- I think he's a press photographer. I've also sent one to someone else who was lucky enough to be at the BGT live tour, who also has a photo of Smith and Johnston performing together. Hopefully we'll be able to get something from one of them. J Milburn (talk) 11:22, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

• Success! I have added some cropped photos from a Flickr user who was at the BGT Live Tour who agreed to release them under a free license. J Milburn (talk) 09:15, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Copyedit suggestions:

• YSmith lives with her parents in Kettering and continues to attend school, despite her musical career. Based on her age, she's HAS to go to school. If you mean to say she attends a regular school rather than having home education or tutoring, then perhaps you should explain more. Otherwise, it's best left out.
  • Rephrased. J Milburn (talk) 11:24, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
• She then auditioned for the second series of the show... Since the readers can't see the link, the phrase "the show" doesn't make it clear what is being referred to. You should probably rewrite the opening so you can name it explicitly here without repeating it from the first sentence.
  • Rephrased, better? J Milburn (talk) 11:43, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
    • "She won her semi-final, performing a cover of Sarah McLachlan's "Angel", by the public vote, placing her into the final,[6] and leaving her as the favourite to win.[1]" Too much commas. And winning a semi-final clearly means she progressed to the final. I think another rewording is better. - Mgm|^(talk) 10:44, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
      • Done. J Milburn (talk) 20:18, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
• Y"During the heat" Since she reached the final, she was in several heats. It's not clear which one is referred to.
  • Rephrased. J Milburn (talk) 11:43, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
• The section about the album should be severely shortenened since it's mostly duplication of the album article itself. I'd also suggest using {{main}} rather than linking the first mention of the album in that section.
  • I've cut out some of minor details already (small reviews, minor sales stats, the trivia about the shipping mistake) and I feel the rest is fairly important. The articles do overlap in what they should be covering- as her only release so far, a significant portion of this article is inevitably going to be about her album. Compare to Connie Talbot and Over the Rainbow (Connie Talbot album); both featured articles. There's a lot of crossover there. What do you feel should be cut? (I have added {{main}}). J Milburn (talk) 11:43, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
• YOne sentence ends in: "Eastwood Town F.C.." What does the manual of style say about double periods?- Mgm|^(talk) 11:48, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
  • The MoS seems to imply that the full stops in abbreviations should be dropped as much as possible, so I've done that.