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Do double spaces even show up after periods? I know I type them out of habit (I just did right there), but I never see them afterwards. And, just out of curiosity, why are they annoying? Adam Bishop 18:56 7 Jul 2003 (UTC)

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This phrase is also used commonly in Toronto to describe the various ways the Law Society of Upper Canada and Liberal Party of Ontario have set up a legalized monopoly over certain aspects of the legal system, which are in effect under the control of a very small number of people and law firms that have many of "the right family names". This modern usage should be dealt with.

Also Canadian Establishment and Peter Newman's analysis of how it grew out of the Family Compact should be mentioned.

That's a good idea...you should mention it yourself, if you want :) Adam Bishop 18:33, 11 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Isn't there also a play called "The Family Compact?" I believe it was written by Hugh Scobie. Does anyone ahve any informantion regarding this play?

Theatre

Isn't there also a play called "The Family Compact?" I believe it was written by Hugh Scobie. Does anyone have any information regarding this play?

Neutrality of this article is questionable

I have some doubts about the neutrality of this article. The opening para in particular. While the Family Compact was doubtless not a paragon of virtue, to call it an oligarchy with closed admission is really going a bit too far. In fact, there is evidence that the Family Compact was quite willing to engage new members, given that the new member presented himself through the usual channels. I think the Family Compact was likely not worse and no better than any other informal political organization of the day. CJ_WeißSchäfer 20:04, 21 March 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by CJ3370 (talk • contribs)

This topic is written like a prime example of Whig History http://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Whig_history&oldid=548601942 and does not take into account the bigger themes and events or the impact of social, demographic, economic or political developments elsewhere in the British Empire that had a major influence on the governing of the colony, including the reasons for the very existence of that 'thing' called "Loyalists." — Preceding unsigned comment added by MikeInOttawa (talk • contribs) 01:21, 15 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Current status

This section should be updated based on recent scholarship. Even by 1965-1975, the Canadian establishment was dominated by the descendants of "yeomen" settlers, e.g., the Masseys, Eatons, and of course the descendants of other colonial elites (e.g., from Quebec) should be mentioned. TFD (talk) 14:37, 13 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

gibberish sentence

"The loyalist tradition included its class structure society and amongst the elite, such as John Beverley Robinson and John Strachan, it was considered the ideal. "

If someone could rewrite this into comprehensible English, that would be great. It looks like it's been garbled somehow, or maybe badly translated from another language? It's not clear at all what it's supposed to mean. --Jfruh (talk) 20:07, 23 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Response

Indeed, that was gibberish! Not at all sure how that happened, but I've re-written a more comprehensible sentence. Thanks for catching that CJ_WeißSchäfer

CJ_WeißSchäfer 01:24, 1 November 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by CJ3370 (talk • contribs)

Present: reference to Canadian Club (presumably)

I have added a citation needed tag to the last sentence of this section. Perhaps amusing, it is may not be useful, true or noteworthy content. Unless this is fixed in a month or so, I'll delete this. Cheers! SuW (talk) 19:12, 11 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Contradictory...

The article currently asserts the family compact was active from the War of 1812 to the 1837 rebellion. But it also refers to appointments made by John Graves Simcoe, who was Lieutenant Governor 20 years prior to the War of 1812...

That is contradictory.

FWIW, it was always my understanding that Simcoe did introduce this practice... Geo Swan (talk) 23:49, 8 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The sentence "The role of speculation in the vacant lands of Upper Canada ensured the development of group solidarity and cohesion of interest among the members of the Family Compact."

"The vacant lands of Upper Canada" was a nineteenth century fantasy, was it not? The writer unwittingly? supports the spurious notion that there were no First Nations people in Upper Canada. Ghastly!

The entire article calls for a more nimble and contemporary revision. Unless, of course, some version of the Family Compact is still operating in the Canadian government, the COE, and Wikipedia (kidding). Inwitinthemidwest (talk) 20:08, 28 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

John Galt Jr. in Colborne Clique?

John Galt Sr was the founder of the Canada Company but ran afoul of the Family Compact by having communications with McKenzie which came out in the Types Riot civil suit trial. This is evident from the letters between Galt and Peregrine Maitland, the Lieutenant-Governor of Upper Canada, in chapter two of the second volume of Galt's autobiography (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.32044029889888). However, Galt Sr left Canada in 1829, never to return, in disfavour and accused of mismanagement - possibly due in part to scheming by the Family Compact? But Galt Sr was promoting the Canada Company until his departure so it doesn't seem reasonable to believe he had animosity towards the Company at that time. Tiger Dunlop took over from Galt and continued with the Company until 1838 at which time he was dismissed for leading a militia unit against the rebels of 1837 and "borrowing" supplies for them from the Company. Post 1838 he turned against the company and became a leader of the Colborne clique (see http://www.biographi.ca/en/bio/dunlop_william_7E.html) but by that time Galt was long dead (died 1834).

So my question is whether the John Galt listed here as part of the Colborne clique is actually John Galt Jr who was born in 1814, returned to Canada with his brothers in 1833, was appointed registrar in the Goderich area, and died in the provincial parliament in 1866? See https://www.guelphhistoricalsociety.ca/archives/historic-guelph/volume-3/john-galt-s-sons I guess it is possible that Galt Sr participated in the Colborne clique through letter writing in the 1829-1834 period but Dunlop supported him at that time and was pro-Company so it is unlikely. Fredorfred (talk) 16:27, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I just read the Lizars reference and it reads "The Hyndmans, Lizars, Kippens, Lawsons, Clarkes, John Gait, jun., and a host of others were of the Clique ;" so it was in fact John Galt Jr, not Sr in the clique. I will adjust the main entry.