Talk:FK Partizan/Archive 1

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Archive 1

Champions League section

I removed this section because it had errors and was unclear - no year, etc. Was it an important game or something?

On 4.september was played first match in Champions Cup(nowadays Champions league) betwen Sporting Lisboa and Partizan Belgrade.The match was played in Lisboa at 17h in front of 35000 viewers,and the referee was french Martinis.Result was tied 3:3 (HT 1:1). Awiseman 18:35, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Stevan Jovetic's citizenship

Ja mislim da je Stevan Jovetic Crnogorac a ne Srbin. To treba proveriti i biti siguran 100% - Aleksandar V.

Istina, ja sam ga tako i oznacio kad sam ga upisivao na spisak igraca, ali je neko prepravio. Ima ovde brdo vandalizma i neznanja, to je kap u moru, sta ces...--Vitriden 17:52, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Miralem Sulejmani

To the anons who keep editing nat of Miralem Sulejmani in current squad list, please see: [1]. Thanks. // Laughing Man 22:32, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

These users have made similar edits to many other articles, see Special:Contributions/64.134.9.54 and Special:Contributions/24.136.27.74. I've left a notice on their talk pages. A ecis ^{Dancing to electro-pop like a robot from 1984.} 22:47, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I will be sure to check contribs in future to make sure all articles edited by this user (sockpuppets?) are accurate as well. Thanks for the heads up. // Laughing Man 22:58, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Stevan Jovetić

Shouldn't Jovetic be on the list of first team players, since he is playing in first team, despite his young age? Sideshow Bob 20:23, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Good question, I just added Ivan Radovanović and Stevan Jovetić as I found them on the team web page. // Laughing Man 20:47, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

I've added Jovetic to the list a few months ago, but I can't keep repairing this page anymore, since there's so much vandalism here.--Vitriden 23:48, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

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UEFA Cup 2007

shouldn't someone put in that Partizan have been allowed to play the second leg in belgrade, and might progress further after 11-1 on aggregate if UEFA lift the ban on Aug. 10th?

Zoran Tošić

Moram da primetim da koliko god ja prepravljao brojeve Zoranu Tosicu i Nenadu Brnovicu neko ih opet promeni. Da ne bude vise dileme danas su u Zurnalu objavljene registracije, Tosic nosi broj 17, Brnovic je zadrzao 7 od prosle sezone, pa ako je moguce bilo bi lepo da se dogovorimo da ne menjamo vise te brojeve. 10:01, 10 August 2007 (UTC) Dule

OK, pošteno, samo da napomenem da je moj izvor Sport od dana potpisivanja ugovora. Ima čak i na iternetu: link. Ako ti imaš pouzdan izvor da su ovi brojevi validni, slobodno promeni.

Pozdrav, --Vitriden 11:01, 10 August 2007 (UTC) P.S. Pošto je ovo engleska Wikipedia, red je pisati na Engleskom, pošto će neko možda kasnije čitati ovu našu prepisku.

About Zoran Tosic once again: he'll wear number 17 on his jersey, according to Partizan's official website [2] 89.216.22.99 10:08, 13 August 2007 (UTC)Dule

Foreign notable players

OK, I could probably be talking to the wall just as well, but I'll say this once again. The fact that some foreign player was in the roster of a club, doesn't make him notable. Almost none of the foreign players listed here made any serious impact on the club history. Some of them played three or four matches in all competitions during their short stints in Partizan (Jahic, Kim Chee-Woo, Stanceski, Asprogenis, Vitor Hugo...). If we list all the foreign players on any club's article, I think that number can exceed 1,000 in many cases. The fact is that foreign players weren't usual in Yugoslav and Serbian football, but, since 2000, that thing has rapidly changed. I mean, look at the current squad section! Are all these foreign players notable? And one more thing. Since the breakup of Yugoslavia, many players from the former Yugoslav republics played for Partizan. And almost none of them made a difference, except for, maybe, Stevan Jovetic. And their compatriots playing for Partizan while in former Yugoslavia aren't listed here. Why? Because all this is bunch of crap some people here find amusing. No, it's not amusing and these players are not notable. If you want to show how many international stars your favorite club had in its long history, you've failed. Get it? P.S. Pazin wasn't Bulgarian citizen at the time he was playing for Partizan. But who am I talking to? Have fun.--Vitriden (talk) 19:01, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Zdravo Vitriden, I´m the one that had put the names of all those foreign players in the "Notable players" list. Now I understand that I was very wrong. I´m a Partizan fan who lives in Lisbon, Portugal, and me and my friends are very passionate with footbal. The thing is that the group is composed by various nationalities. Some of my friends are portuguese and serbian, obviousely, and other are spanish, dutch, argentinian, french, italian, and other. The general idea that they, and I think in the rest of the world too, have about partizan and other serbian clubs, is that the squads are composed of local players. That may be the tendency of most of the clubs but, for Partizan and Zvezda, it is not that simple. You and me know that the Belgrade clubs, since the begining of footbal in south-slavic lands, use to buy all the best players from Triglav to Gevgelija, regardless of ther nationality, and since the 90´s they allways had in the squads players from other countries. This is very obvious for us, but other people don´t know that. As I was visiting the wiki pages of clubs, I found that some, for exemple, dutch, belgian, numerous central and east european, but also asian and african clubs, have lists of, along with the important national players a lot of other nationality players, most of them never heard in some cases. As I was numbering the list of foreign players that played in serbian clubs to my friends I found out that for them that was new information and, at the end, that gave them a much cosmopolitan image of the clubs, specially of Partizan and Zvezda. Of course, I´m not saying that some foreign guy that played one game has the same importance as Stojkovic or Milosevic, but at the time I edited the list I ignored the word NOTABLE, or understand it in a different way like, for exemple, Suzuki is a notable player worldwide but, he wasn´t notable in Red Star, or a player can be notable becouse he plays/played for his national team and he, playing well or not, did made part of the club squad. Anyway the list is exelent the way it is and I completely recognise the stupidity of what I did. I´m sorry and I want to thank you for the pacience you had with me. It shows that you are very professional with the pages that you edit. You even made a separete list that is not there any more, but I recognise it is unnecesary. The list of notable players in the Serbian Superliga page is much more logic and interesting. We must make an effort to clarify and inform the world since our image today is so distorced and damaged. Thanks. Pozdrav. --fkpCascais —Preceding unsigned comment added by FkpCascais (talk • contribs) 03:57, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Branislav Jovanović

I've created the page for Branislav Jovanović based on FK Partizan official site article, but his birhtplace is missing (I assume it's Belgrade, since he played for Radnicki NB as a youngster), as well as those statistics prior to 2008/2009 season. If anyone has any extra information, it would be appreciated. Cheers, Gay Faggot

--Byxl (talk) 10:07, 26 June 2009 (UTC)Byxl

GROBARI-Gravediggers

Mislim da je bolji prevod za Grobare UNDERTAKERS umjesto GRAVEDIGGERS,
jer je to cesci naziv koji se koristi u engleskom jeziku u slicnoj
subkulturnoj konotaciji (primjer američkog profesionalnog hrvača- Undertaker).
Ovo Gravedigger ima vise uvredljivi ton,
pomalo i podsmješljiv. 
Srdacan pozdrav,

--Byxl (talk) 15:24, 26 June 2009 (UTC)Bylx

Absolutno podrzavam. Undertakers! FkpCascais (talk) 02:47, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Ilješ Špic

Pročitao sam da je Spic prvi strani trener u vecitom derbiju [3]. On nije madjar iz Vojvodine nego pravi madjar koji je od 1937 pa do kraja zivota, 1961, bio kod nas. Jel se slazete da mu stavimo madjarsku zastavu? FkpCascais (talk) 03:23, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

logo

I Propose that the stars in the logo get removed. Is this okay? (LAz17 (talk) 23:12, 14 May 2010 (UTC)).

The official website has the logo with stars. Why are they bothering you? FkpCascais (talk) 01:59, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Well look at all the Partizan Logos. Go to SD Partizan. As you can see I have enhanced the page in the last few days, doubling the number of clubs that are listed. They all have logos. As we can see, none of the other clubs have any starts. So why should this one? On top of that, when you type in "FK Partizan Logo" on google you get more without stars than with them - [4] On their official site towards the bottom - http://www.partizan.rs/home.php?&Jezik=sr - you can see a logo without stars too. (LAz17 (talk) 04:11, 15 May 2010 (UTC)).

Uefa does not have 'em, [5] ... there are reasons to keep them and not to. But I guess we should first figure out what they mean. (LAz17 (talk) 04:22, 15 May 2010 (UTC)).

The stars are intentionally there (each one represents 10 national championships), and there is no rule that a club must have equal crest for all the sports departments. I opose any "removal of the stars" for now. FkpCascais (talk) 05:11, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

I guess that makes sense. If I recall correctly - KK Crvena Zvezda has one star... makes sense. But then why does KK Partizan not have that? Or OK Partizan, AK Partizan, HK Partizan? Interesting, eh? But, to make this even more weird - Karate Klub Partizan has two stars! Hopefully I will make that page - but information is hard to come by, so who knows when. (LAz17 (talk) 05:23, 15 May 2010 (UTC)).

But, Lazo, it´s very honorable from your side to want to put things right, and that make sence, but this questions you should post to Partizan direction, maybe they will really apreciate the aproach and correct all club crests (I´m not joking). Maybe only the FK and Karate club decided to use stars, maybe others will have them soon... I don´t know, but, for now, and don´t take me wrong, please, I would prefer to keep the stars version of the crest on the football article. It is in the official football club website, and looks cool. :) FkpCascais (talk) 05:30, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

I get your point, I won't remove them. But this really is something that I wonder. Maybe I will contact someone... but I gotta make some more partizan pages first. :) You know what's messed up?-not all Partizan Sports club have their main base in Belgrade! I tell you, something is mighty messed up. Furthermore, I can't figure out what all 25 clubs are of partizan. (LAz17 (talk) 05:45, 15 May 2010 (UTC)).

Don´t forget that Partizan was built as a national club, rather than local, as "JSD", Yugoslav Sports Club, indicate. Anyway, regarding the stars, don´t conclude your question yet, maybe other editors hate the stars, and will be glad to see them going to history. I doubt, but one never knows. We´ll see. FkpCascais (talk) 05:58, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

After thinking about this for quite some time, I feel that it is quite important to remove the stars. There does not seem to be any real reason to keep them. When some 20 logos in the club do not have stars, there is no reason to have this as an exception. It is necessary for consistency. As is seen, the official site does not use them all the time, so there is indeed no precedent to have them whatsoever. (LAz17 (talk) 15:24, 19 May 2010 (UTC)).

Decided who? you? Revengfull kid... FkpCascais (talk) 15:56, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Decided who?- Google , [6] (LAz17 (talk) 22:43, 21 May 2010 (UTC)).

The official site has the stars! Why you gave the phalse statement that didn´t? FkpCascais (talk) 23:51, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

The official site has both. (LAz17 (talk) 02:04, 22 May 2010 (UTC)).

You are making me loose time and you´re lying (I can say the word "Lying" because despite I never saying it, because I consider it unpolite, even if trouth, you "lyied" that I "lyied" so many times lately, that I´m just gonna say it). In the official club page, there is found only one: WITH STARS! FkpCascais (talk) 05:49, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Look harder. (LAz17 (talk) 17:33, 22 May 2010 (UTC)).

Must I do everything for you? [7] Even in the tab browser it appears with no stars. (LAz17 (talk) 17:34, 22 May 2010 (UTC)).

Just go lye down man. Relax. Live life! [8] (LAz17 (talk) 17:36, 22 May 2010 (UTC)).

Nevermind, repported for continuing insults... (I´m I loosing time?) FkpCascais (talk) 18:59, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Mogao je da padne neki apdejt strane?! O.o

To je prva stvar. Moze apdejt. A druga stvar je to sto sad videh samo ovde na diskusiji da je predlog da se na engleskom 'zovemo' UNDERTAKERS. Ne znam sta pise na strani nisam obratio paznju, ali mi smo GRAVEDIGERS. Ima zastava UNDERTAKERS, slazem se, ali mi smo GRAVEDIGERS. Toliko o tome. Ako treba pomoco voleo bih da pomognem oko rada ove strane, gde i kome da se javim(posaljem mail) samo. Pozdrav —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.86.149.82 (talk) 21:36, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Pozdrav, ne znam tacno na sta mislis, kakav konkretno apdejt? Vikipediju svako moze da uredjuje, samo sto je ovih dana na ovoj strani bilo mnogo vandalizma(uvreda i netacnih podataka), pa je zasticena i narednih mesec dana anonimni clanovi ne mogu da preuredjuju stranicu. Ako se uclanis i nacinis nekoliko desetina promena na drugim stranicama (vecina stranica je nezasticeno, i ova je bila, prakticno do pre neki sat), postaces "established user" i moci ces da menjas i ovu stranicu. U suprotnom, moraces da pricekas do 12. septembra ili da ovde, na strani za razgovor, predlazes promene, a neko od clanova ce ih onda staviti u tekst...

Sto se tice dileme Gravediggers/Undertakers, to bi pre trebalo da raspravis na stranici Grobari, ovde senavijaci samo uzgredno spominju, posto je rec, pre svega, o samom klubu, a ne o navijackim grupama.--Vitriden (talk) 21:48, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Bukvalni prevod bi bio Gravedigers, ali su na engleskom jeziku navijacka grupa Grobari ipak mnogo poznatiji kao Undertakers. Sto, neznam. Verovatno los prevod nekog ko je pravio reportazu o Grobarima na engleskom, pa je posle postalo prihvaceno i masovno ponavljano. FkpCascais (talk) 22:44, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Istripovao sam se da je u delu gde pisu igraci na levoj strani bila prva postava, pa sam zato mislio da je trebalo apdejtovati stranicu. A sto se tice predloga, trenutno imam samo 1. Treba izbaciti u delu o Grobarima podatak da se ne zna odakle nam ime Grobari. Ajde pogledamo ovako 'laicki' odnosno recimo da niko nije ni u kakvoj navijackoj grupi i nema nekih posebnih informacija o nastanku imena, ali apsolutno je nemoguce da su nam romi dali to ime jer nasa najstarija grupa je Grobari 1970. A romi su osnovani 1989. Tako da eto argumentovan predlog da se izbaci ta ideja da su nam oni dali ime. Ako budem imao nekih dodatnih ideja i predloga javicu se vec. Pozdrav —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.93.189.12 (talk) 23:25, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

To kad je osnovana navijacka grupa nije od znacaja, posto je navijaca i Zvezde i Partizana, hvala bogu, bilo mnogo pre zvanicnog osnivanja nekakvih "navijackih grupa" i, samim tim, jedni su druge cascavali kojekakvim imenima. Potreban je izvor, po mogucstvu sa interneta ili iz neke objavljene publikacije (novine, casopis, knjiga...) kako je nastalo ime i ako mozes da ga nadjes, to bi bilo dobrodoslo. Pod dva, ovde na vikipediji nije dozvoljeno nazivati ljude i grupe imenima koja se mogu smatrati uvredljivim, tako da te molim da se uzdrzis od toga. Takodje, posto je vikipedija, kao i clanak, na engleskom, trebalo bi i pisati na njemu. Ako tvoj engleski nije dovoljno dobar, postoji i enciklopedija na "prostom engleskom" (http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/F.K._Partizan), srpsko-hrvatskom (http://sh.wikipedia.org/wiki/FK_Partizan) i, naravno, srpskom (http://sr.wikipedia.org/sr/%D0%A4%D0%9A_%D0%9F%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BD), pa ti mozda vise odgovara da doprinosis na njima. Razume se, to ne znaci ds ne mozes ovde da stavljas svoje priloge ako ti je engleski los, nego da ce biti komplikovano ako neko bude morao da prepravlja ono sto si napisao... Hvala, pozdrav.--Vitriden (talk) 17:36, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Humska

Ispraviti (ili jos bolje izbrisati) u tekstu da ime Grobari dolazi po stadionu u ulici Humskoj! Zaboga, Humska ulica je dobila ime po Humskoj zemlji (danas Hercegovina), a ne po nekakvim humkama. Humska NE znaci na srpskom grob, vec humka! Zar se toliko ne zna?!? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.86.76.12 (talk) 22:01, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Former players section

I think the article does miss some sort of historical important players section. Earlier we had the problem of many lists that were original research and didn´t had any inclusion criterium. However, since the list was removed, all we are left now is the link to the List of FK Partizan players. Coincidentally, I made the list, and my purpouse in that list was to list all Partizan players, not just the notable ones. The list fails to give a concise link to some sort of selected notable former players, and having the link to the list is good, but it should only be complementary. Making another list with only notable players would be perhaps too much, that is why I think we could/should make a list within the article, but with a strict criterium. I touth perhaps having a national team players list, but I would like to hear more opinions on the subject, and eventual other options that we could eventually use. FkpCascais (talk) 08:16, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

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