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Moved to Eystein I of Norway, 9 April 2023, to Eystein Magnusson, see discussion.
Not moved, 10 December 2024, to Eystein Magnusson, see discussion.

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Requested move 9 April 2023

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The result of the move request was: Moved to Eystein I of Norway. (closed by non-admin page mover) -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 21:36, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Eystein I → Eystein Magnusson – The page was moved to the present title from Eystein I of Norway in October, with the mover citing WP:SOVEREIGNS, despite there being nothing in SOVEREIGNS supporting that move. A move to my proposed title would be consistent with other contemporary Scandinavian monarchs. Further, Eystein Magnusson is the WP:COMMONNAME in academic usage [1]. Estar8806 (talk) 04:00, 8 April 2023 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). EdJohnston (talk) 00:47, 9 April 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. {{ping|ClydeFranklin}} (t/c) 01:30, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

See also a related move proposal at Talk:Eystein II. EdJohnston (talk) 00:47, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Restore the title Eystein I of Norway. Srnec (talk) 20:36, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Eystein Magnusson is the COMMONNAME for the subject, see the source I provided. It's also consistent with other contemporary monarchs. Estar8806 (talk) 23:09, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support move to Eystein Magnusson or Eystein I of Norway. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 11:59, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Restore the title "Eystein I of Norway". Walrasiad (talk) 15:37, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Walrasiad Eystein Magnusson is the WP:COMMONNAME, beating Eystein I. Eystein I of Norway doesn't even register. Estar8806 (talk) 02:24, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The criteria I am interested in is WP:SOVEREIGNS, where the norm of a numerical king is given as "Name # of Kingdom". "Eystein Magnusson" is not a household name, except perhaps within Norway. In English-language lists of kings of Norway written for general audiences (rather than for Norwegians or specialists), I find him commonly given as "Eystein I". Which is unsurprising as "Magnusson" is a generic surname, not a title nor a nickname (like "Hadrada"). Per the SOVEREIGNS criterion cited, adding "of Norway" makes the title clear. The alternative (again through SOVEREIGNS) would be "Eystein Magnusson, King of Norway", which is needlessly long. "Eystein I of Norway" is simpler, clear and accurate enough. Walrasiad (talk) 03:47, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Normally I would agree with you, however the second point of SOVEREIGNS is if there is an overwhelmingly common name to use it. I don't know how you commonly find "Eystein I" (even without the "of Norway") when Eystein Magnusson is more common. You can even see the external link provided in the article [2] which refers to him as Eystein Magnusson. Estar8806 (talk) 21:13, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Except its not. Even your own gdata don't show it. They're about evenly matched, so its a toss-up. Since the "Magnusson" is found more often in specialized books rather than general references, I'll weigh the latter quite more strongly. Walrasiad (talk) 02:10, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 10 December 2024

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The result of the move request was: not moved. The nominator expressed concern to withdraw this nomination. Best, (closed by non-admin page mover) Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 07:11, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Eystein I of Norway → Eystein Magnusson – Google Ngrams shows Eystein Magnusson is the WP:COMMONNAME. Векочел (talk) 02:12, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. The Ngram evidence is weak: between 1970–2005 there are more mentions of "Eystein I". However, I wonder if the Ngrams are corrupted by the snippets like Eystein: "I have heard that...", which you see in the Books Search. Eystein Magnusson would be wp:consistent with his brother Olav Magnusson. To make a call, it would be good to have more evidence. Jähmefyysikko (talk) 07:05, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Eystein Magnusson would be inconsistent with Eystein II of Norway. Given the weak Ngram evidence, best to leave it as is. Srnec (talk) 21:14, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
On second thought, based on Google Search results, it seems like "Eystein I" is the more popular name than "Eystein Magnusson". Does anyone know how to withdraw a nomination? I wish to have it closed and renominate it alongside Eystein II for the sake of avoiding more RFCs than needed. Векочел (talk) 21:20, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 17 December 2024

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– These two Norwegian rulers appear to be the only monarchs named Eystein, so there is no need to disambiguate. Векочел (talk) 22:31, 17 December 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. cyberdog958^Talk 05:47, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Middle Ages, WikiProject Norway, WikiProject Norse history and culture, and WikiProject Royalty and Nobility have been notified of this discussion. Векочел (talk) 00:10, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. Theparties (talk) 23:25, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom, in line with WP:SOVEREIGN. Rosbif73 (talk) 09:01, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose first, move to Eystein Magnusson per WP:COMMONNAME. [3] No opinion on second. estar8806 (talk) ★ 19:37, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have an opinion on either, but why use the older Ngram corpus eng_2019? Jähmefyysikko (talk) 19:50, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The data goes through 2022, but the link is the same as one from a similar discussion I opened above. estar8806 (talk) ★ 20:05, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisting comment: Due to multiple moves back and forth to multiple names, more consensus should be obtained. cyberdog958^Talk 05:47, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]