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A fact from Expulsion of Greeks from Istanbul appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 4 November 2020 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the expulsion of Greeks from Istanbul in 1964–1965 was part of the final phase of state measures aimed at the Turkification of the local economic, social, and cultural life?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2020/November. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Expulsion of Istanbul Greeks (1964-1965).

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99.99% Muslim ???

You made me laugh with this one. Sorry, but around 10% of Istanbul's population are Christian. And around 65% of the population are atheist. 24.133.172.217 (talk) 08:43, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I did remove the 99.99 percent number; but 10 percent of Istanbulites are definitely not Christian. Atheists are also not that numerous, although 10-15 percent may be an accurate number for them. Uness232 (talk) 19:09, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Uness232: Actually the number is from the source, only it says 99.9 and not 99.99, so it is obviously meant in a cultural sense. --T*U (talk) 09:29, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Either way, the edit is problematic in a more direct sense, as 'from a Muslim cultural background' is not the same as 'Muslim', and therefore should likely be qualified or deleted. Uness232 (talk) 22:27, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Uness232: Yes, I agree to the removal of the number, since it has to be seen in the context of the analysis in the source. But it could perhaps be paraphrased as 'Today Istanbul has lost its multicultural character and is now almost exclusively Muslim.' or similar. --T*U (talk) 08:27, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@TU-nor Or perhaps we could frame it in reverse; that "Istanbul no longer has a significant Greek population" or something of that sort. Uness232 (talk) 18:19, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Uness232: Naaa, I am not so happy with that. The multiculturality was not only due to the Greeks – even if they were the largest and most significant group. There were also Armenians, Levantines, Albanians, Kurds, Yazidis, Circassians, Bulgarians, Poles, Roma and any number of other ethnicities, all with a long history in one or other part of the city. --T*U (talk) 20:04, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@TU-nor Of course; but I don't see any better formulation, especially for an article specifically about Greeks. Almost exclusively Muslim, again, conflates cultural affiliation with belief, which in today's Turkey is not accurate per Irreligion in Turkey. I'm also not sure about 99.9% as a number, Demographics of Istanbul regularly claims higher numbers than 0.1% for non-Muslims (for example approx. 0.4% for Armenians). Uness232 (talk) 05:35, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]