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Exchequer etymological history

I added the paragraph on checks, ex-chequer, shah-mat, etc. Sources on the etymology are the OED and some financial history books which I do not have on me. Used them in a class I taught some years ago. I failed to log in while I made the edit. Sorry about that. The history makes clear that a chess piece or more exactly a chess board would be an appropriate illustration. The best thing would be a painting from the era but I am unaware of any. Basically the London jewelers of the 15th and 16th centuries did double service as lenders and bankers, somewhere there may be a painting of one with a chess board.

GN842 (Greg Nowell)

I removed the paragraph. The reason for this is that I have already given the known etymology of the word "exchequer" when applied to the court (rather than to anything else), which originates in the Dialogue. The remainder of your paragraph would usefully go under cheque or some other financial article. The point is that the exchequer is a very old government department and much of what you discuss comes later and is not relevant to *this* article, though it may be very interesting elsewhere. If you have anything more to add about the etymology of the word "exchequer" for which you have a reference, I would be interested to see it.

I also removed the paragraph because it talked about anachronistic things like paper being used in accounting. That may have been true later (I am sure it was) but it wasn't then. We do know quite a bit about the practice of the exchequer from the Dialogue (and a few other places) and paper wasn't used. To mention it in the context of this article is going to confuse any reader.

I think we have, at least reconstructed versions, of the exchequer board and those might be suitable but remember this is not an article about finance and banking in general but about two specific government departments (courts as they would have the been called) one in England and one in Scotland. Francis Davey 08:40, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A particular point that worried me was the quote 'The chess board itself served a double service: the pieces could be cleared from the board and the rows and columns, marked with scraps of paper, could be used as an "analog spreadsheet" which were used to check accounts'. We know that the exchequer table was not square and was not 8x8 squares, so it was not a chessboard and could not have been used as one (even if anyone had the inclination to do so). I doubt that chess was so popular in 12th century England that this is even likely, but that would be a matter of further investigation. Francis Davey 08:47, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Scotland

I had tried to write an article about the English Exchequer (which became the Exchequer of which the Chancellor of the Exchequer is chancellor). I did this because I wanted to write abou the Exchequer of Pleas. This seemed to displease those who wanted to make clear that there was a Scottish Exchequer. Unfortunately their edits have been misleading and anachronistic. I've tried to put some Scottish material in, but its not my field/area, so perhaps someone else could help. Francis Davey 09:17, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Chess piece

Why is there a picture of a random chess piece on this page? --Clay Collier 10:20, 12 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Because the exchequer board looked like a chess board? I agree, its inappropriate. Francis Davey 13:38, 12 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed the picture - it was really quite distracting and irrelevant.

Not that this explains it, but I expect it is because exchequer means chess board (from the French échiquier, related to échecs).Hrcolyer (talk) 17:38, 27 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pitt????

The Exchequer became unnecessary as a revenue collecting department as a result of Pitt's reforms.

Pitt who?

There is no prior reference to him in the article.Martha Lois 20:43, 13 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What reforms?

Pitt is probably William_Pitt_the_Younger 1759 – 1806

The office remains, governments always need to collect taxes!

The office of the Chancellor of the Exchequer has continued from 1221 to the present and the name has evolved from the table upon which taxes were collected 'The Exchequer' to an office Her Majesty's Treasury (HM Treasury) colloquially known as 'the Exchequer' — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alan-hicks-london (talk • contribs) 16:21, 11 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Cleanup

I did some grammatical restructuring in the first section (see these edits). Although I'm pretty sure I didn't change the meaning of anything, I'd like someone more familiar with the term Exchequer to review. I'm still kinda confused as to the proper use of the term and want to make sure the edits are proper. Thanks! /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 08:46, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

pronunciation

we should include ipa for the word Exchequer — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.220.181.9 (talk) 23:40, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NOTDICTIONARY. That's what Wiktionary is for. —

Llywelyn II

12:00, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Introduction?

The section which should be the introduction only covers the topic in terms of Islamic states (as of the time and date of this posting). As such, it is extremely limited and does not represent a general view of the term. This paragraph may serve best as a section.Mercadoa (talk) 06:23, 11 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

that was just copy-pasted in from the relevant article and is wholy not useful here. I've reverted the replacement of the previous text. Ealdgyth - Talk 13:22, 11 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Dubious abolishment

The chamberlains were abolished in 1826 and the auditors in 1834. The Exchequer itself didn't disappear until the 1860s, no? — $Llywelyn II$ 12:01, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Merger proposal

I propose that Exchequer be merged into HM Treasury. The content in the Exchequer article appears to be the origins of HM Treasury. Both articles start during the reign of Henry I, the Exchequer article appears to suggest the department was unnecessary, whereas HM Treasury is still extant. Alan-hicks-london (talk) 16:38, 11 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The External links references the HM Treasury history page Alan-hicks-london (talk) 16:43, 11 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

File:Kingdom of England Exchequer note-5 Pounds (1697).jpg to appear as POTD soon

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An exchequer note, with a face value of five pounds, issued by the exchequer of the Kingdom of England under William III. This bill is dated 6 August 1697, one year after the introduction of such notes, and a tax or "aid" of 3 shillings is chargeable on it. Exchequer notes paid interest for loans made to the government.Banknote: Exchequer of the Kingdom of England (image courtesy of the National Numismatic Collection)

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