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Image is which species?

The image used, Image:Pinemarten.jpg is from the US Fish and Wildlife Service. The image library record is here: [1]. Isn't it more likely that this is a photo of an American Marten and not a European Pine Marten? Note that the term "pine marten" is also used in North America for martes americana and is likely the source of this confusion. Thoughts? --ChrisRuvolo 02:28, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)

The image's description contained "Martes martes", not "Martes americana", so I assumed it was the European Pine Marten. But now that I looked at the image again at the FWS website, the description links lead to websites of American Pine Martens. Hmn. Just going by the photo it looks more like a European marten to me, but they're similar species, but I can't be certain about that. Assuming that it's the American variety since its from the FWS isn't a surefire way to figure it out, though. They have photos for servals and zebras too, and those certainly aren't North American. I'll wait and see if anyone has anything to add. If not, I'll take it down to be on the safe side. --CairoCai 16:27, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Good points. I just tried to check out the original photographers: Bauer, Erwin and Peggy. They have done several North American wildlife books. See here: http://www.allbookstores.com/browse/Author/Bauer%2C%20Erwin This does not preclude the possibility of it being a martes martes but it seems more likely to me that it is actually a martes americana. I wouldn't be able to distinguish them by sight though. --ChrisRuvolo 18:22, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Since the evidence for it being a photo an American marten is stacking up, and there probably aren't too many people floating around Wikipedia qualified to determine which exact species it is; I'll go ahead and remove it from the article. Thanks for bringing this up. --CairoCai 19:55, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I just took a look at the image. It is certainly an American marten: American martens have short black lines rising up their faces from the inside corners of their eyes, while Eurasian martens do not. A more subtle difference is that the cream-colored bib is much more pronounced in Eurasian martens. 68.42.71.192 19:56, 4 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Copying this discussion to Image_talk:Pinemarten.jpg. --ChrisRuvolo (t) 19:41, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nokia?

The animal is called NÄÄTÄ, not "Nokia" in Finland and also unlike the link to the Wikipedias Nokia article and its "trivia section" claims, this animal is not exticnt but spread across whole nation minus some areas it cant physicly access like like islands and theres tens of thousands of them.

Size / Weight?

"It's around the size of a domestic cat. Its body is up to 53 cm in length, its bushy tail can be 25 cm. Males are slightly larger than females; on average a marten weighs around one and a half kilograms. "

This is confusing. The average weight of the household cat varies from 6 to 10 pounds. (2.7 - 4.5 kg). If it's the size of a domestic cat it's unlikely to weigh 1.5 kg. Mjb10000 17:41, 5 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

4.30.2013 Edit: the 1.5 kg pine marten does NOT prey on the 40 kg gray wolf: diet corrected per citation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gcalig (talk • contribs) 01:18, 1 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I stumbled across this strange cat comparison right away too. An average adult cat weighs 4kg (in my experience, varying not from 2.7 - 4.5 kg as stated above, but rather from 3 to 8kg!). The comparison might be valid in terms of body length, but other than that, it is misleading to say the least.
As this has been remarked on for ten years now, I will now take the liberty of deleting that sentence. --93.212.251.186 (talk) 11:23, 4 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

is this the worst wikipedia page ever?

Ok, no specific information about habitat and range, (well wooded? what area is badly or mediocrely wooded? does it have a preference for any type of tree? perhaps pine? does it overlap with the beech marten?) a lot of information only relevant to uk, unnecessary trivia section, no information about relationships with other martens, nasty mess.

whats happening????????? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.116.78.56 (talk) 23:54, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Range map

Is wrong. Pine martens are also found in the UK. -- 195.92.40.49 18:36, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

And in Ireland!--Dub8lad1 (talk) 13:55, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

And in most of Finland, not just Lapland. 84.249.200.160 (talk) 12:29, 8 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

[2] Distribution Map, Ireland....?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eoghan888 (talk • contribs) 06:29, 22 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The map is wrong.

I just read this on the BBC new website http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7985169.stm talking about Pine marten's in britain. But the map on this page doesn't show the range of pine martens to extend into britain. So either there is a different species than in this article in britain, in which case a link to it would be a good idea, or the map is wrong -OOPSIE- (talk) 22:37, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Even this page mentions that they live in Britain as well, so the map must be an error. RossMM (talk) 13:42, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

They're well known here in Scotland. 92.238.148.49 (talk) 15:57, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Why no literary pine martens or other "trivia"?

I am a new editor and I saw the invisible comment saying that information about pine marten characters by Philip Pullman and other authors was not wanted, but why not? On the Wolf page there is a section on Fable and Literature and even a link that takes readers to a list of fictional wolf characters. The kuna (marten) is also the name of Croatia's currency, because it harks back to medieval times when their pelts were traded.

https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Croatian_kuna

The anti-pine marten

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/jun/15/hopes-dashed-that-resurgent-pine-martens-can-save-uks-red-squirrel "The results revealed that pine martens were deciduous woodland specialists, less numerous in non-native coniferous plantations"

Is it worth noting that they avoid pine trees? Hcobb (talk) 13:57, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Presence in Western Asia

User:BhagyaMani could you please explain why my edit that included Western Asia in the lede deleted? The IUCN Red List map clearly shows their range in Western Asia, as well as the map on the Wikipedia article. There's also no "Update Required" notification on the IUCN Red List profile. 82.222.96.104 (talk) 17:56, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.iucnredlist.org/species/12848/45199169

I suggest you have a good look at the map to understand that it does NOT show all of Western Asia as range. – BhagyaMani (talk) 18:00, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No need to capitalize anything, we can both read. Nobody claimed they are found all throughout Western Asia, a small tweak to the wording would fix that. No need to delete it all. Making the necessary changes. 82.222.99.1 (talk) 15:34, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The version that reads "native and widespread in Northern Europe and parts of Western Asia" was more accurate because of the following:

1) They are not widespread in Southern Europe, but the current version claims it is widespread in all of Europe.

2) Turkey is a transcontinental country. Stating they occur in Europe and in Turkey is wrong since Turkey is already in Europe and Asia.

3) The latest version is grammatically incorrect.

The earlier version on the other hand stated it is native and widespread only in Northern Europe and parts of Western Asia, a statement that is perfectly accurate and precise. I see no need to make further changes and propose reverting to that version. 82.222.99.1 (talk) 17:29, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Population in Ireland

An update of the population of the pine marten in Ireland. In recent years (2018 on) pine martens have become common in rural communities right across central Ireland from Kildare/Meath to Galway, often seemingly becoming habituated to humans through their tendency to inhabit farm and garden buildings and scavenge food left out for birds, etc. Their preference to use roads for regular travel around their territory is, unfortunately, leading to a large number of road casualties. 2A01:B340:60:65BE:9524:5425:6BB7:7154 (talk) 18:42, 10 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

European marten

Does it have to be referenced to add the nickname? Firekong1 (talk) 11:16, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It should be referenced. Plantdrew (talk) 23:21, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]