Talk:Eucalyptus wandoo

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A fact from Eucalyptus wandoo appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 20 June 2023 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the Noongar used the Eucalyptus wandoo tree (woods pictured) as a medicine and ointment?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2023/June. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Eucalyptus wandoo.

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GA Review

Passed. Chiswick Chap (talk) 07:35, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Reviewer: Chiswick Chap (talk · contribs) 09:26, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This is an informative and mainly well-cited article, and I've basically got few comments to make.

Small fixes

I've made some tiny fixes to grammar and punctuation.

~~"as a part of one of Oldfield's numerous collections in the south western parts of Western Australia." --- this aside makes the sentence it's attached to very long, and it doesn't even seem relevant.~~

removed. Hughesdarren (talk) 22:48, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

~~Amino acid names eg aspartic acid, glutamic acid, proline, arginine should all be in lower case.~~

Fixed. Hughesdarren (talk) 22:48, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

~~Same for rufous treecreeper.~~

Fixed. Hughesdarren (talk) 22:48, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"The pollen immigration of smaller fragmented populations are found to have up to 65% of pollen sourced from other populations that are located at a distance of over 1 km (0.62 mi) apart.[13]" is not clear; suggest you simplify or split the sentence and explain what you mean by "pollen immigration". On third reading, I guess you mean nothing more than that up to 65% of pollination is from remote populations.

Reworded to "Up to 65% of pollen that is transferred to plants in fragmented populations is sourced from other populations that are located at a distance of over 1 km (0.62 mi) apart." Is that better? Hughesdarren (talk) 02:42, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Several portrait-format images require the "|upright" parameter.

Fixed. Hughesdarren (talk) 02:42, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

The main thing I'm missing here is discussion of phylogeny, ideally with a cladogram showing the tree's relatives and ancestry. The second-last paragraph of "Taxonomy" makes some slight gesture in that direction but something more tangible would be desirable.

I've made a search and can't find anything suitable, so we'll have to wait for some PhD to work on the subject.

~~On salinity levels, some brief gloss to say whether 50-100 mS/m is high compared to other trees (or ecosystems), i.e. is this a valuable species for salt-infested places, would be useful.~~

Added "It is regarded as moderately salt tolerant species when compared to other species of Eucalyptus that are endemic to Western Australia", which was all I could find in the references that relates specifically to wandoo. I will keep looking for a general statement of what is regarded as high salinity levels. Hughesdarren (talk) 03:08, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That's sufficient.

References

Refs [12], [49], [50], and [51] are all the same and should be merged if they are correct: I suspect they are wrongly linked, and that the last three need complete replacement. They are also lacking author and publisher details, and the title is less than helpful also, as the source is actually about "Beefwood Grevillea striata"... which doesn't seem to fit the context. Perhaps you meant to link the last three refs to three different documents.

Fixed merged to the same reference, there is a page number (46) about wandoo in each of the references now. Cheers. Hughesdarren (talk) 12:28, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

~~I am not sure that [10] Ken Fern (?) is a reliable source.~~

His website has been referenced in other wikipedia articles of Australian plants. Fern has also authored "Plants for a Future: Edible & Useful Plants for a Healthier World" and is one of the founders of the charity "Plants For A Future" Hughesdarren (talk) 12:28, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

All right, but the {{WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS]] argument doesn't contribute!

~~[31] (iNaturalist) mirrors Wikipedia and cannot be used as a source.~~

Not too sure how that was included, removed. Hughesdarren (talk) 12:28, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by BorgQueen (talk) 03:30, 11 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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~~... that the epithet "wandoo" of Eucalyptus wandoo comes from the Noongar word for tree? Source: https://apps.lucidcentral.org/euclid/text/entities/eucalyptus_wandoo_subsp._wandoo.htm~~
- ALT1: ... that the Noongar used the Eucalyptus wandoo as a medicine and ointment? Source: https://heartlandjourneys.com.au/about-us/ancient-wonderland/wandoo/
- ALT2: ... that the epithet "wandoo" of Eucalyptus wandoo comes from the Noongar word for the tree? Source: https://apps.lucidcentral.org/euclid/text/entities/eucalyptus_wandoo_subsp._wandoo.htm
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Blue Marine Foundation

Improved to Good Article status by Hughesdarren (talk). Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk) at 19:22, 24 April 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Eucalyptus wandoo; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

Comment Hook should read ... that the epithet "wandoo" of Eucalyptus wandoo comes from the Noongar word for the tree? Source: https://apps.lucidcentral.org/euclid/text/entities/eucalyptus_wandoo_subsp._wandoo.htm The name is specific to that species not all trees. Regards. Hughesdarren (talk) 23:04, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

So added in ALT2. gobonobo ⁺ ^c 14:29, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Detailed article about the tree and its use, on fine sources, no copyvio obvious. I sugest you use an image, perhaps of the woodlands. Without it, I'm afraid ALT1 would need to say that it is a tree, and ALT2 is more or less an explanation of the name. For people too lazy to look up Noongar, it also hangs in the air location-wise, or should we get it from Eucalyptus? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:09, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What do you think, Onegreatjoke? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:09, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Gerda Arendt: I guess I could use File:Eucalyptus wandoo gnangarra.JPG or just say "... that the Noongar used the Eucalyptus wandoo tree as a medicine and ointment?" Onegreatjoke (talk) 18:19, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Good idea, Onegreatjoke, - can you please make that a workable ALT, with Mainpage image formatted ready for promotion? - I saw two others of your nominations with questions open, btw. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:52, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Gerda Arendt:

Eucalyptus wandoo woodlands

Alt3 ... that the Noongar used the Eucalyptus wandoo (pictured) tree as a medicine and ointment?

Unsure how to show the image so i'll hope they can still use it anyway. Onegreatjoke (talk) 19:09, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I added the image.

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:45, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wandoo Recovery Group reference

Hi Hughesdarren, thank you for this article. I have made some bold, if minor, tweaks. I'm not familiar with botany articles so pls undo anything I've botched.

The ref for the Wandoo Recovery Group paper was linked to this Trove entry which had included "Also available online on Dept. of Environment and Conservation's website. Address as at 8 March 2007: http://www.naturebase.net/component/option,com_docman/task,doc_download/Itemid,980/".

However, that URL was to an apparently usurped domain, which linked to a gambling website in New Jersey, US. I notified NLA Trove and they have now removed that link.

So..., I replaced FN 8 with the Wandoo Recovery pdf I found. It seems to verify everything it is used to cite. I'd appreciate if you'd check that I haven't hurt your GA! JennyOz (talk) 11:20, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]