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A fact from Esther Pineda G appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 20 July 2020 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Venezuelan sociologist Esther Pineda G popularized the term violencia estética ('aesthetic violence') to describe the damaging pressure on women to respond to prevailing ideas of beauty?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2020/July. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Esther Pineda G.

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The result was: promoted by TheAwesomeHwyh (talk) 19:11, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Venezuelan sociologist Esther Pineda G (pictured) popularized the term "violencia estética" (aesthetic violence) to describe the damaging pressure on women to respond to prevailing ideas of beauty? Source: "La Violencia Estética en el Cuerpo Femenino como Expresión de la Identidad de las Mujeres: Un Estudio desde las Representaciones Sociales construidas por un Grupo de Mujeres Madres del Cantón de Palmares, durante el Año 2017-2018" (PDF). Universidad de la Costa Rica. 2018. Retrieved 31 May 2020.

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Sophia Kianni
Comment: After building several preps with no representation outside of North America and Europe, I am making a push to get articles from under-represented areas into DYK. This is nomination 6 in that effort.

Created/expanded by Astrophobe (talk). Nominated by The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) at 02:15, 1 June 2020 (UTC).[reply]

Feel free to come up with a shorter hook. I was not able to think of one. This is an AGF nomination, as I do not speak Spanish and cannot verify the sources. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 02:15, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- I've created a crop [[:]] for use in the DYK, leaving the original image in the article. Per my reading of the rules, that should be okay. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 00:02, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Article is long enough and was new enough at the time of nomination. Earwig only turns up something copied from this page, and sources seem to be RS. No copyright concerns on the image. My only concern the hook, as it is quite long (as you noted), and the source does not seem to indicate that she "popularized" the term, on my understanding. How about this? Open to other suggestions, too. ~hue sat lum 16:56, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1: ... that Venezuelan sociologist Esther Pineda G (pictured) wrote that discrimination against women is a central feature of Western philosophy? "Razones por las que la filosofía y la sociedad son culpables del machismo en el que vivimos". Cultura Coletiva. 28 September 2017. Retrieved 31 May 2020

@HueSatLum: How about:

ALT2: ... that Venezuelan sociologist Esther Pineda G (pictured), who studies machismo and misogyny, wrote that discrimination against women is a central feature of Western philosophy?

It's a little longer but establishes her expertise in making that statement. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 19:25, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Good with me. I haven't done DYK in a while, but I believe this needs a new reviewer for the new hook. ~hue sat lum 23:04, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Approving ALT1 and ALT2, and otherwise relying on HueSatLum's review. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:58, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- I returned this to the approved list because the image was a copyright violation. There should be no issue with promoting with no image. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 13:20, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - Shit, thanks for the catch, Coffeeandcrumbs. I took the original uploader at face value and didn't do any research before making the crop. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 17:59, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Self-published tag

@Astrophobe: Hi! I wanted to explain the Self-published tag per your request: I placed the tag after looking at the Spanish version of the article, whcih this version apparently was originally translted from, and seeing that it was created by a SPI, Chichi0704 (it has edited almost exclusively in Esther's article, with essentially no other edits after three years). Likewise, another important contributor and SPI, CruzDCV, said that "they included information providad by Esther" and that "they removed the profile image with Esther's permission", which at the very least suggests a connection with the page's subject. Don't get me wrong: I'm aware that important contributions have been made and I greatly appreciate the translation, I think articles of Latin American women are badly needed; for this reason, I included a "Self-published" instead of a regular {{SPI}} like in the Spanish article. Regardless, I thought it was important to reflect this. I'm sorry if this wasn't properly explained. Best regards. --NoonIcarus (talk) 22:30, 22 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the explanation and for opening the discussion NoonIcarus. I can now certainly see where you were coming from. The factual backbone of the page is definitely based on the Spanish version, which (as far as I recall) provided me with most of the information about things like what books she wrote and what positions she has held, so I gave the standard copyright attribution to be safe. But I do believe that the English page as it stands cites every important point to reliable sources, and looking line by line at the pages I think I did not carry over any of the potentially problematic material. But of course if you think there are gaps in verification or details that are better removed, I'm more than happy to plug them up. - Astrophobe (talk) 22:58, 22 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks for your response likewise :) I wouldn't be as concerned with the removal of the sources as much as notifying about their status. There's also the possibility to include inline tags to reflect this, but I'm personally alright now that at least this has been explained in the talk page. --NoonIcarus (talk) 23:04, 22 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]