Talk:Eromenos

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Needs references

Needs ref, unref tag added. --FloNight 10:26, 30 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Categorization

This article is currently in the categories Greek Pederasty and Category:Sexuality in the classical world. Since "Greek Pederasty" is a subcat of Category:Ancient Greek eros, which is in turn a subcat of "Sexuality in the classical world", is it necessary to have both? WP:SUBCAT has some guidelines, but I'm unsure how to apply them to this case. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 00:00, 4 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Probably needs to be reduced to the most specific category in a given line. Also moved to B-calss, correct me if I am wrong. Haiduc 02:21, 4 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've moved this to start-class, mostly because of length. I'll remove the two "stubs" from the page, too. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 01:40, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

WHY is this under Queer Studies? The Greek Eromenos/Erastes relationships were NOT homosexual relationships; they were complicated mentorships that all citizen boys (that is, the aristocracy) took part in. They were relationships of teaching political science, culture, social graces, and philosophy. Rarely was there sexual intercourse between the Eromenos and his Erastes and those relationships that went into that realm were frowned upon, the Erastes mocked and defamed. This has very, very little (if anything) to do with "Queer Studies." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.233.199.55 (talk) 22:36, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Greek homosexuality is an accepted subtopic of homosexuality, and is seen as a precursor, and by some, such as Symonds, as an ideal to be emulated, while others, such as Halperin, see it as an aberration. Haiduc (talk) 01:28, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why does it seem to me that this whole thing should be viewed much more as a Senpai/kohai relationship? Elp gr (talk) 17:25, 6 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

And why is the whole article written in comically bad English? The example of public hair would be an accidental howler of note; except that it reoccurs throughout the article. It is definitely overdue an overhaul.

Nuttyskin (talk) 20:18, 11 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Italicisation of title

Should it be italicised in the title given it is throughout the article? AllenY99 (talk) 16:50, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Message: Here is an better Improvement for the Eromenos Wikipedia Article and please accept and place my revised edits, and also a completely permanent total ban and prohibition using anti-LGBT, anti-Gay and pro-Homophobic edits based on gay men and LGBT relationships in general and is unrelated to homosexuality, especially for males

i am sorry if i made any mistakes, please pardon my clumsiness and i did not try to disrupt anything okay, i was trying to help fix it to be more accurate and please do not ever use homosexuality and gay men and anything related to the LGBT community in this article and never ever use them because they are very inappropriate, repulsive, disgusting, and dangerously anti-LGBT, anti-Gay and pro-Homophobia and it is harmful to LGBT rights as a whole it will not be tolerated. END OF STORY AND DISCUSSION, NO BUTS ABOUT IT, NO MEANS NO OKAY. PPPEEERRRIIIOOODDD!!!, also here is the improved good version if you would allow it and place it in the article please, thank you and good luck.

In ancient Greece, an eromeno was a submissive younger male partner engaged in a pederastic relationship during the classical period of greece within the Greco-Roman world. The erastes were the dominant older male partners of the eromenos. The eromenos were often depicted as effeminate and beardless younger males unlike their masculine and bearded male counterparts (eraste) themselves. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.202.60.98 (talk) 09:35, 1 Nov 2024 (UTC)

Your header is inappropriate. Please change it to something informative but neutral.

Please do not simple post your proposed version on the talk page. Do not expect other editors to compare the article, your previous edit, and your proposed text on the talk page line by line looking for your changes. Break it down and discuss the individual changes.

Discussing a contested edit on the talk page is not simply posting your version and then restoring it before anyone has a change to comment, let alone reach a consensus. Meters (talk) 19:11, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OP blocked one month. Meters (talk) 21:37, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

permanently bannning using homosexuality and gay to describe the relationship between Eromenos.

hello, i want to point out that eromoenos are not all lgbt but harmed victims by their sex abusers (the erastes) and no one should use the terms male homosexuality and lgbt men to describe ancient greek males being coerced into sex trafficking and slavery, and also the eromenos (forced sex slaves) and erastes (sex offender owners) are not gay men at all. period, ps i disacourage the use and ban it as an inherently and intrinsically Anti-LGBT related, thank you. :) 112.202.54.28 (talk) 14:48, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article does not currently use the words "gay" or "LGBT" at all and indeed it probably shouldn't as these are modern categories which would have made no sense to ancience Greeks. However, the eromenos was not a sex slave – the ancient Greeks did have actual literal slaves who were forced into prostitution, but that is not what "eromenos" refers to and conflating the two is not helpful even if neither would be acceptable to modern morality. As for "homosexuality"/"homosexual" – the word is widely used in academic discussions of Greek sexuality. If you don't like the uses of the word in the article currently, you're much more likely to get consensus to change it if you propose an alternative rather than just declaring that you "ban" it. Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 16:49, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Obvious block evasion by the IP. See the above thread. Meters (talk) 19:27, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]