Talk:Ernest Belfort Bax

This article is rated Start-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.
It is of interest to the following WikiProjects:

Politics of the United Kingdom

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Politics of the United Kingdom, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Politics of the United Kingdom on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Politics of the United KingdomWikipedia:WikiProject Politics of the United KingdomTemplate:WikiProject Politics of the United KingdomPolitics of the United Kingdom articles

??? This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.

More information:
/
	This article has been automatically rated by a bot or other tool because one or more other projects use this class. Please ensure the assessment is correct before removing the `\|auto=` parameter.

Biography

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles

Journalism

	Journalism portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Journalism, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of journalism on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.JournalismWikipedia:WikiProject JournalismTemplate:WikiProject JournalismJournalism articles
???	This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.

Gender studies

This article is part of WikiProject Gender studies. This WikiProject aims to improve the quality of articles dealing with gender studies and to remove systematic gender bias from Wikipedia. If you would like to participate in the project, you can choose to edit this article, or visit the project page for more information.Gender studiesWikipedia:WikiProject Gender studiesTemplate:WikiProject Gender studiesGender studies articles

???

This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.

To-do list:

Here are some tasks awaiting attention:

Assess : see Unassessed Gender studies articles and Unknown-importance Gender studies articles
Cleanup : edit to see
Collaborate : see /Collaboration
Copyedit : edit to see
Deletion sorting : see /Sexuality and gender
Expand : edit to see
Infobox : see Gender studies articles needing infoboxes
Merge : edit to see
Notability : edit to see
NPOV : edit to see
Orphans : Brannon Masculinity Scale · Holy Virility · Media and gender · Michael Kaufman (author) · Women's education in Saudi Arabia
Photo : see Wikipedia requested photographs of gender studies
Split : History of feminism
Stubs : see Gender studies stubs
Translate : see /translation
Update : edit to see
Verify : Riot grrrl
Needs attention : see Gender studies articles needing attention

Men's Issues

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Men's Issues, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Men's Issues articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Men's IssuesWikipedia:WikiProject Men's IssuesTemplate:WikiProject Men's IssuesMen's Issues articles
???	This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.

Socialism

	Socialism portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Socialism, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of socialism on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.SocialismWikipedia:WikiProject SocialismTemplate:WikiProject Socialismsocialism articles
???	This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.

considered the father of the first wave of the men’s rights movement

The first external link goes to [[1]] where the 'About' section claims that As the first major spokesman on these issues Bax is considered the father of the first wave of the men’s rights movement. I couldn't find anything to back up this claim. I realise the site in question is an advocacy site, so of course I'm looking for more independent sources on this statement. --MatthiasGutfeldt (talk) 09:25, 23 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah - this whole thing seems rather dodgy. The "Men's Rights Movement" only emerges in the late 20th century, so why is a late _19th_ century Marxist being linked to these pages? --134.153.210.216 (talk) 21:57, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV Dispute

This article is rife with errors in grammar, spelling, and competent diction.

On the other hand, its citations are sparse, beyond the pale of what users recognize as Wikipedia's standard. Articles of this caliber have the potential to serve as a detriment to Wikipedia's credibility.

There is also evidence of an apparent niche agenda, observable from the tone of this article. The depiction of the subject figure with neutrality has been compromised; his motives and actions appear to be largely speculated upon (with few to no citations) in order to denigrate women and to question their right to suffrage.

This article's content is in great need of revision, whether to refute or deny its historical accuracy and objectivity. It is linked to an American hate group (AVFM), and suffers from a distinct absence of citations in the presence of bold claims.

Thank you for your time and consideration. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smokypaprika (talk • contribs) 00:18, 27 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Smokypaprika wrote: "Citations are sparse... [and] The depiction of the subject figure with neutrality has been compromised; his motives and actions appear to be largely speculated upon (with few to no citations) in order to denigrate women and to question their right to suffrage."

Unfortunately Bax was both anti-suffragist and an anti-feminist, so those mentions in the article are completely correct. It would be a stretch, however, to claim his goal was to denigrate women in general, and Bax himself stated that he made, "no impeachment of women in general.” [No Misogyny But True Equality - 1887]

As for your concern that there are not enough citations, all claims in the entry appear to be cited. 124.170.66.64 (talk) 03:00, 30 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I can give you a very quick and obvious example of a claim that is not cited:

"In 1880 at the age of 21, Bax began studying philosophy in Germany, beginning with Kant and Hegel. With the single exception of his friend Lord Haldane, no British thinker of his generation had learnt German philosophy in Germany, nor were his British compatriots as saturated in the writings of Kant, Fichte and Hegel as he was."

Not only is this not cited, but there's a contradiction: if he were born in 1854, he definitely would not be 21 in 1880. 66.162.183.2 (talk) 13:30, 1 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Removed With the single exception of his friend Lord Haldane, no British thinker of his generation had learnt German philosophy in Germany, nor were his British compatriots as saturated in the writings of Kant, Fichte and Hegel as he was. - uncited, unlikely and WP:PUFFERY. I'm not even sure how any biographer would even go about trying to prove such a statement. They would be much more likely to state "he was well versed in the writings of Kant, Fichte and Hegel". --The Vintage Feminist (talk) 03:01, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]