Talk:Erik Naggum

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Regarding proposed deletion

The article should have been started as a personal subspace, as per Wikipedia guidelines. This did not happen, as someone moved a bit too quickly in the wake of the recent death of the article's subject. There's a group of people now working to gather material and references that will make it clear that this article needs to exist.

uspn (talk) 19:44, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You should not delete this article, Erik Naggum was a legend long before he passed away. Take a look at today's Twitter search containing Erik Naggum if you don't take my words for it; http://search.twitter.com/search?q=erik+naggum

Take a look at some of the blogs created to remember him, such as e.g. at w3c.org, planet.lisp.org and lots of other places. His death was even written about at the second largest IT magazine in Norway; http://www.itavisen.no/816708/han-startet-den-norske-nettdebatten - the title translated means something like "He started the Norwegian internet-debate"

Erik Naggum was a highly respected man, and very well known, both within the Lisp community, Norwegian and international programming community and also the general USENET community. Take a look here; http://groups.google.com/groups/search?hl=en&q=erik+naggum&qt_s=Search+Groups - for some perspectives on the mans contributions...

At one time he even had his own FAQ called something like; "Who is this bugger Erik Naggum"... :—Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.202.214.217 (talk) 20:29, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

We need some examples where Mr. Naggum has been the subject of coverage by independent reliable sources (not blogs or forums).

— Satori Son 20:33, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. We're working on it. #8D) The result will be ready for review before the end of the week.

uspn (talk) 08:51, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Motion summary

This article belongs on Wikipedia because:

There is no "conflict of interest" here. The subject of the article maintained a Web site with information about himself when he was alive. The audience of that page were mainly computer programmers, people working with standard formats and others who keep seeing the name of the subject of the article when searching the Internet for topics including, but not limited to SGML, Lisp, XML and Emacs. It is in public interest that information regarding his person remains available in a neutral form. Wikipedia is a good home for this kind of information.

The subject of the article is notable, for the following reasons:

Basic criteria

"A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has been the subject of published secondary source material which is reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject."

We'll refer to links to news articles regarding the person when alive, as well as to obituaries published by notable organisations.

Additional criteria

"Any biography / The person has made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in his or her specific field."

This goes for the person in question here. While you need to be quite nerdy to have an interest in the fields in question (SGML, Lisp, XML, Emacs...), we'll be able to demonstrate that valuable contributions have been made by the person.

"Creative professionals / The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by their peers or successors."

Again, a quick Google search will confirm this, but we'll build a link list that demonstrates this well.

Material to build on

EmacsWiki:ErikNaggum -> Some obituaries
http://common-lisp.net/project/local-time/manual.html -> Lisp connection documented
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2049.txt -> Example of contribution to Internet standards
http://www.xemacs.org/Documentation/packages/html/ilisp_4.html -> Lisp/Emacs connection documented
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.lisp/browse_thread/thread/21744d089a3f1b79?tvc&pli=1 -> Flamewar incident
http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/xml/s-exp_vs_XML -> XML rant
Various other rants

Group animals vs pack animals

Is writing pack animals better than writing group animals?

Ximalas (talk) 11:26, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I changed the translation to use the expression "gregarious animals". I think it's fitting, considering the contents at http://ungregarious.org/ #8D)

uspn (talk) 14:49, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cause of death

I am not aware that a cause of death has been announced. According to his friends, he did suffer from ulcerative colitis, so I'm sure a source can be found for this. But we don't know more than that. Jon kare (talk) 13:08, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

An autopsy has been performed, as is the routine when someone relatively young is found dead at home, and the report cites the cause of death to be a massive bleeding ulcer. The document is not public, so we can't really use it as a source here, I believe.

uspn (talk) 16:54, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

4 digit date

The article stated: Erik Naggum was an early proponent of using four digits to indicate year when storing dates on computers, in order to minimize the Year 2000 problem . Sorry, folks, early in this context means the 60s or 70s, and he was far too young for that. -- Zz (talk) 21:37, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Request for Comments

There is an RfC on the question of using "Religion: None" vs. "Religion: None (atheist)" in the infobox on this and other similar pages.

The RfC is at Template talk:Infobox person#RfC: Religion infobox entries for individuals that have no religion.

Please help us determine consensus on this issue. --Guy Macon (talk) 19:39, 23 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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