Talk:Eric Martin (footballer, born 1946)

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On 12 May 2021, it was proposed that this article be moved to Eric Martin (footballer). The result of the discussion was moved to Eric Martin (footballer, born 1946).

Requested move 12 May 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved to Eric Martin (footballer, born 1946). (closed by non-admin page mover) ~ Aseleste (t, e | c, l) 13:30, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Eric Martin (Scottish footballer) → Eric Martin (footballer) – Hello. So I wanted to move this article to Eric Martin (footballer) because there are no other footballers called Eric Martin. However, there are two French footballers called Éric Martin. I asked User:GiantSnowman to move this page to Eric Martin (footballer), but he said that Eric Martin (footballer, born 1946) would be a potentially better move. He told me to start an RM and here I am. The question is whether we should move this page to Eric Martin (footballer) or Eric Martin (footballer, born 1946). I personally would move it to Eric Martin (footballer) because there is a clear difference in diacritic, and I left a distinguish note at the top of the three footballers, so mixing them up would not be a problem.
I also suppose the third option is to keep the article where it is. But in that case, the Eric Martin (footballer) redirect would have to be redirect toward Eric Martin (disambiguation). Paul Vaurie (talk) 16:11, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. Giant Snowman 16:13, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose as suggested, on the basis that there are at least 3 footballers called 'Eric/Éric Martin' - this chap and Éric Martin (footballer, born 1959) and Éric Martin (footballer, born 1973). As such I suggest that Eric Martin (Scottish footballer) is moved to Eric Martin (footballer, born 1946) and that the Eric Martin (footballer) redirect is retargeted to the Eric Martin disambiguation page. GiantSnowman 16:15, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Support move to Eric Martin (footballer, born 1946).--Ortizesp (talk) 16:56, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Support move to Eric Martin (footballer, born 1946) per GiantSnowman's suggestion. The diacritic is a minor difference and one that many news sources don't always bother adding. --SuperJew (talk) 17:36, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose move as proposed, as there are several, and people don't type diacritics into a search box. I'd have thought leaving him at (Scttish footballer) might be a better disambiguation, all the same. Readers might well know they're after a British one rather than a French one, and (Scottish footballer) shows up better than (footballer, born whenever) in the search box dropdowns. WP:NCSP#Association football (soccer) does advise using "the most conclusive" of nationality or birth year. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 17:46, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- @Struway2: If there was only one Eric Martin from France, we would do Eric Martin (French footballer) and Eric Martin (Scottish footballer); however, there are two. So, using birth dates is better. By the way, I am supporting GiantSnowman's proposal. Paul Vaurie (talk) 18:11, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - So, you'd use nationality to distinguish one Scot from one Frenchman. But because there are 2 Frenchmen, distinguished from each other by date of birth, you think it'd be clearer to use another date of birth rather than nationality? Not sure I see the logic. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 18:18, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    - It would get confusing if we distinguished them differently otherwise. We aren't going to use Eric Martin (French footballer, born 1959), are we? Paul Vaurie (talk)
Oppose per Talk:George Puscas (sports writer)#Requested move 1 December 2019 you can't disambiguate based on the absence of diacritics in English. Crouch, Swale (talk) 06:25, 14 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support Eric Martin (footballer, born 1946). Standard disambiguation for footballers. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:58, 14 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.