Talk:Epurescu
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[edit]User:Altenmann would you please explain this edit. Conversion to a Template:R from surname is the standard way of resolving when there is only one entry. In fact pages performing any disambiguation like function are redirected more or less automatically when there is only one entry, with some exceptions of course as covered by WP:G14. WP:SIAs should normally follow the style guideline at WP:SAL, and explicitly must include a "set" of items. WP:PTMs, of which there aren't any in this case despite the link at the bottom, would not count as they do not share the same name as required. I will restore the redirect for now on the assumption the removal was erroneous, however if you prefer I can initiate an WP:AFD per WP:ATD-R. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:780A:A70F:B434:93EA (talk) 21:52, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- This is an article about surname, not disambiguation page. - Altenmann >talk 22:56, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- User:Altenmann It's a WP:Set index article, and claiming otherwise is rather odd since you tagged it as such with Template:Surname when you created the page [1]. Furthermore I linked WP:SIA and explained why one entry was inappropriate hence the reference to pages performing a disambiguation-like function. Please don't create one entry set indexes in mainspace, it creates unnecessary work for people patrolling new pages, instead start them as drafts until there are at least two-entries, though even those are sometimes PRODed. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:95CE:1437:1591:A9E6 (talk) 23:49, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
There are more historical people with surname Epurescu, Iepurescu. - Altenmann >talk 23:01, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Then add them to the set index when you create it but don't make one entry set indexes. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:95CE:1437:1591:A9E6 (talk) 23:49, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Repeating again: this is NOT a set index article not a list article, not a disambiguation page. This is a {SURNAME} article. - Altenmann >talk 00:50, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- User:Altenmann No it is a set index and you literally tagged it as such when you created the page. Template:Surname is a member of Category:Set index article templates. Please read the pages that are linked in other peoples comments, replying without doing so and before becoming familiar with the policies and guidelines covering editing in an area merely wastes your fellow editors time. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:95CE:1437:1591:A9E6 (talk) 01:00, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- It is you who is wasting people time. This is an article about surname and such articles are governed by WP:Anthroponymy, and it is linked in Category:WikiProject Anthroponymy templates. Clearly, domain-specific rules trump the "structural" rules. - Altenmann >talk 01:07, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Firstly not true, WP:LOCALCONSENSUS cannot override consensus at a higher level as expressed in WP:PAGs, secondly utterly irrelevant since the specific guidance at WP:NAMEPAGE also calls for the use of set indexes. And the internal WikiProject guidance also calls for these pages to follow WP:SAL and MOS:LIST at WP:APONAME-LIST. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:95CE:1437:1591:A9E6 (talk) 01:12, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nonsense. The article has an encyclopedic content about the origin of the surname, i.e., it is a valid article, and that it has a list is only coincidental. If you turn it into a redirect as you are willing, the encyclopedic content will be lost. - Altenmann >talk 01:20, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- User:Altenmann If you wish to structure the page as an article about the name, rather than as a set index, it would need to satisfy WP:GNG and have references. You structured the page as a standard name index, and tagged it as a set index article as I have diffed twice now; as a result people patrolling new pages will treat it as such. If you had instead made an unreferenced page about the surname itself it would have been draftified by now. Please review WP:SAL. And note that having encyclopedic content in the intro, however defined, does not exclude the page from the list guideline and manual of style formatting requirements, see WP:SALLEAD for further details. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:95CE:1437:1591:A9E6 (talk) 01:29, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- OK, the totality of your arguments convinced me. Actually, most of the time I create redirects for single-occurrence surname, such as Eremei. However in this case I felt that it is good to have a "real" surname page. In fact, I artificially added an extra name to suit your demands. So after some thought, I am converting it back to redirect. I am not that big fan of Romanian surnames :- - Altenmann >talk 01:41, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- It's fine, and now that there is more than one entry, since a link to a page that contains a mention counts, there is no need to redirect. SIAs with only one notable entry are not entirely uncontroversial, and last year there was a (now vanished) user who was going around trying to get them redirected with some success, but it's assessed on a case-by-case basis. I don't have a strong feeling either way on that issue and the page now complies with the guidelines as either a redirect or an SIA with two entries so I have no additional concerns 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:95CE:1437:1591:A9E6 (talk) 01:47, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Actually I added a really nonnotable politician, who, as I eventually found out, did not take part in elections: he was rejected by election commission, therefore a redirect is great, per searchability rules. - Altenmann >talk 01:49, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Well a redirect is probably best then, for now anyway. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:95CE:1437:1591:A9E6 (talk) 01:51, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Actually I added a really nonnotable politician, who, as I eventually found out, did not take part in elections: he was rejected by election commission, therefore a redirect is great, per searchability rules. - Altenmann >talk 01:49, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- It's fine, and now that there is more than one entry, since a link to a page that contains a mention counts, there is no need to redirect. SIAs with only one notable entry are not entirely uncontroversial, and last year there was a (now vanished) user who was going around trying to get them redirected with some success, but it's assessed on a case-by-case basis. I don't have a strong feeling either way on that issue and the page now complies with the guidelines as either a redirect or an SIA with two entries so I have no additional concerns 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:95CE:1437:1591:A9E6 (talk) 01:47, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- OK, the totality of your arguments convinced me. Actually, most of the time I create redirects for single-occurrence surname, such as Eremei. However in this case I felt that it is good to have a "real" surname page. In fact, I artificially added an extra name to suit your demands. So after some thought, I am converting it back to redirect. I am not that big fan of Romanian surnames :- - Altenmann >talk 01:41, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- User:Altenmann If you wish to structure the page as an article about the name, rather than as a set index, it would need to satisfy WP:GNG and have references. You structured the page as a standard name index, and tagged it as a set index article as I have diffed twice now; as a result people patrolling new pages will treat it as such. If you had instead made an unreferenced page about the surname itself it would have been draftified by now. Please review WP:SAL. And note that having encyclopedic content in the intro, however defined, does not exclude the page from the list guideline and manual of style formatting requirements, see WP:SALLEAD for further details. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:95CE:1437:1591:A9E6 (talk) 01:29, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nonsense. The article has an encyclopedic content about the origin of the surname, i.e., it is a valid article, and that it has a list is only coincidental. If you turn it into a redirect as you are willing, the encyclopedic content will be lost. - Altenmann >talk 01:20, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Firstly not true, WP:LOCALCONSENSUS cannot override consensus at a higher level as expressed in WP:PAGs, secondly utterly irrelevant since the specific guidance at WP:NAMEPAGE also calls for the use of set indexes. And the internal WikiProject guidance also calls for these pages to follow WP:SAL and MOS:LIST at WP:APONAME-LIST. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:95CE:1437:1591:A9E6 (talk) 01:12, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- It is you who is wasting people time. This is an article about surname and such articles are governed by WP:Anthroponymy, and it is linked in Category:WikiProject Anthroponymy templates. Clearly, domain-specific rules trump the "structural" rules. - Altenmann >talk 01:07, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- User:Altenmann No it is a set index and you literally tagged it as such when you created the page. Template:Surname is a member of Category:Set index article templates. Please read the pages that are linked in other peoples comments, replying without doing so and before becoming familiar with the policies and guidelines covering editing in an area merely wastes your fellow editors time. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:95CE:1437:1591:A9E6 (talk) 01:00, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Repeating again: this is NOT a set index article not a list article, not a disambiguation page. This is a {SURNAME} article. - Altenmann >talk 00:50, 28 June 2024 (UTC)