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Link #2 (Ted Kennedy article)

I don't know why this link was there. I brought it over when I moved the info from the Ann Landers article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tyranny Sue (talk • contribs) 15:13, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Politics

Lederer and friend campaigned against Joseph McCarthy in Wisconsin?! (To be added when I have time. Seems very notable information to me.)

Quote from page 4, 'Dear Ann' article [1] :
She discovered Democratic politics in Wisconsin and, with Brigham, helped elect the first Democrat from their district. "We wrote radio scripts and went door to door," Brigham recalls. In a tough contest, Eppie was elected county Democratic chairman. That was the heyday of the Wisconsin senator Joseph McCarthy, and the two women campaigned against him. "I think we were too dumb or too naïve to realize that it could be dangerous to oppose Joe McCarthy," recalls Brigham. "We just went at it as if we knew what we were doing." ^[1]--Tyranny Sue (talk) 18:00, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've seen mention in various places that "Ann Landers" was a Director on the board of Handgun Control, Inc. (now the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence,)

usually along with the quote, "No one has the right to destroy another person's belief by demanding empirical evidence." I haven't yet been able to locate a cite for the quote or the years she was a director. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.12.250.150 (talk) 23:43, 27 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

^ Felsenthal, Carol (Feb 2003). "Dear Ann". Chicago Magazine. p. 17. Retrieved 2009-07-08.

Requested move

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The result of the move request was no consensus. —harej (talk) (cool!) 19:56, 8 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Eppie Friedman → Ann Landers — Has anyone ever called her "Eppie Friedman" since 1939? This article is clearly at the wrong title. I propose a move to Ann Landers, the name by which she was known for the majority of her life. Powers ^T 15:10, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Ann Landers" is a nom de plume she shares with another person, who held it before her. I think a move to "Eppie Lederer" would be best. Unitanode 15:20, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, but the question is whether "Eppie Lederer" is the name most people would recognize. I put to you that it's "Ann Landers". Any ambiguity can be resolved the same way we do every other ambiguous name -- with hatnotes and disambiguation pages. Powers ^T 16:12, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Support That is the name people will search for.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 01:19, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support per WP:COMMONNAME. — CIS ^(talk | stalk) 05:19, 31 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose It may be what she was usually called, but the Ann Landers psuedonym precedes Friedman's involvement in the collumn, and was used for 12 years by Ruth Crowly, as well as other temporary writers. The Ask Ann Landers article already has a clear link to this page, and I will add a hatnote to that article to make this page clearer to reach. YeshuaDavid • Talk • 13:51, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
~~Comment~~Oppose. There is precedent to be found here that is against this move. Abigail Van Buren redirects to Dear Abby, not Pauline_Phillips, who is the writer who is usually referred to as AVB. Ironically, Phillips is Lederer's sister, so I think this precedent is even more aprapos. This precedent has convinced me that a move to Ann Landers of this article is a really bad idea. UnitAnode 13:59, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- The situation is somewhat different, because the original Abby's daughter is now writing under that name, so whether one or the other is the primary topic for Abigail Van Buren is questionable. I could even make a good argument that it should be a disambiguation page with links to Pauline Phillips, Jeanne Phillips, and Dear Abby. This case is different, though, because virtually no one remembers Ruth Crowley; the vast majority of readers looking for a biographical article on Eppie Lederer are going to do so by searching for "Ann Landers". Powers ^T 14:41, 4 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. The only reason Eppie Friedman is notable is because of the Ann Landers column. How about consolidating all information about "Ann Landers" into ONE article, Ann Landers. That would mean merging Eppie Friedman and Ask Ann Landers into one article at Ann Landers that would cover the original (and lesser known) Ann Landers, Ruth Crowley, as well. --Born2cycle (talk) 01:41, 4 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Clearly WP:BLP1E does not apply here, as she did many notable things outside the column. That her notability rose from the column is without question. But merging this article into Ann Landers would be like merging Harper Lee into To Kill a Mockingbird. It's simply not practical, and certainly not required by policy. Unit Anode 02:16, 4 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That was the state of the articles as of about a month ago, prior to User:Tyranny Sue's split. Powers ^T 14:36, 4 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the move request was moved to Eppie Lederer. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 01:27, 17 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Eppie Friedman → Eppie Lederer — If not "Ann Landers", then at least this change needs to be made. No one has called her Eppie Friedman since she was married in 1939, which is before she became famous. I expect this should be uncontroversial, but given the above discussion, I can't be sure. Powers ^T 13:46, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Since her fame arises only from her involvement in Ann Landers, we can search for which name, in conjunction with Ann Landers, is more common and it's Lederer by a country mile. See, 1,750 vs. 14,300, 37 vs. 1,050 and 27 vs. 199.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 14:10, 16 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Per my above, I support this. Unit Anode 14:51, 16 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support —
— $V = I * R$ (talk) 20:45, 16 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Retirement?

From the article's lead: "After her retirement, she became a profile-raiser for several medical charities." What retirement? Further down the page, it says she wrote the column up until her death in 2002, so when did she have time to retire? — CWesling (talk) 23:13, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed--Wikiwatcher1 (talk) 23:22, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"Eppie"

If this article is entitled "Eppie Lederer," why is her sister's entitled "Pauline Phillips" instead of "Popo Phillips"? Kostaki mou (talk) 18:53, 1 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Presumably Eppie remained Esther Pauline's use name as an adult, while Pauline Esther dropped Popo, nor did others call her that.

The mid-career biography by her daughter is Eppie: the story of Ann Landers (Putname, 1982), LCCN 82-3816.

--P64 (talk) 20:09, 6 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"Julius"

Eppie called her husband Jules, if we correctly quote her column announcing the divorce. Jules Lederer has been a WP:REDLINK in the lead for their daughter Margo Howard--which I will fix momentarily, one way or another, to target Julius Lederer (businessman) as this article does.

We lead his biography, "Jules Lederer (1917–1999) was an American business executive ..." without comment anywhere on the page. --P64 (talk) 20:14, 6 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Here, with the bluelink in place, I replaced marri[age] to "Julius Lederer, a business executive" with "Jules or Julius Lederer, who became a business executive". We say that he left school at age 13, imply that he was 22 when they married, and don't mention any particular executive role before the 1950s.

--P64 (talk) 20:09, 6 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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[1] Felsenthal, Carol (Feb 2003). "Dear Ann". Chicago Magazine. p. 17. Retrieved 2009-07-08.

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