Talk:Entre el Mar y una Estrella

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Date	Process	Result
October 25, 2023	Good article nominee	Not listed
March 11, 2024	Good article nominee	Listed

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A fact from Entre el Mar y una Estrella appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 11 April 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that "Entre el Mar y una Estrella" by Thalía was crowned the best number-one Latin hit of the last 20 years in a survey conducted by Billboard?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2024/April. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Entre el Mar y una Estrella.

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Entre el Mar y una Estrella/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Eurohunter (talk · contribs) 18:33, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Magiciandude: @FanDePopLatino: I started review. Comments will be below. Review within 2023 GAN Backlog Drives. Eurohunter (talk) 18:33, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

Lead mention positions on charts in Costa Rica, Ecuador, Honduras, Panama, Paraguay, Spain, and Venezuela but they are not included in Charts table. Eurohunter (talk) 21:23, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"Billboard Video Music Awards" is "Billboard" part of award name? Same question for chart's. Shouldn't it be Billboard's Hot Latin Songs? Same for section "Promotion and reception". 21:23, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Promotion and reception

Why is the title "No Hay Que Llorar" capitalised if Spanish titles shouldn't be capitalised same as French, Italian etc.? Same for "Echa Pa'lante" in infobox Eurohunter (talk) 21:23, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"On the website Caras" - why just website? Eurohunter (talk) 21:23, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Formats and track listings

Use template Track listing. Eurohunter (talk) 21:23, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Other

Add table with awards like in Boten Anna#Awards. Eurohunter (talk) 21:23, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Replace parameter "Work" or "Publisher" with "Website" in references. Eurohunter (talk) 21:23, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Section "Release history" is missing. Eurohunter (talk) 21:23, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There is no introduction to previous "Echa Pa'lante" and next single "Regresa a Mí" in the next. Eurohunter (talk) 21:23, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I added Category:Songs written by Emilio Estefan. Eurohunter (talk) 21:23, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I made some minor fixes. Eurohunter (talk) 21:23, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Links to redirects in references. Eurohunter (talk) 21:23, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There have been no responses here or edits to the article since the nomination was opened, so I have closed this nomination. Please feel free to renominate this article once the above issues have been looked over and the article otherwise meets the WP:GACR. Best, CMD (talk) 12:43, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

Passed. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 18:27, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This review is transcluded from Talk:Entre el Mar y una Estrella/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Sammi Brie (talk · contribs) 06:01, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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Go over this article with a fine-tooth comb to spot missing prepositions. Consider the suggestions from GA1, which seems unplombed as a source of ways to improve the page. Ping me when done. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 06:34, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know? If you fancy doing so, I always have plenty of GA nominees to review. Just look for the all-uppercase titles in the Television section. Reviews always appreciated.

GA1

Look at the comments in Talk:Entre el Mar y una Estrella/GA1, which seems untouched as a source of potential improvement. The comments about charts and awards tables seem to still be valid; there is no release history section, if that is necessary.

Copy changes

The track is a pop ballad that deals with lost love and the song was dedicated to her former lover Alfredo Díaz Ordaz who died in 1993. Commas, please! The track is a pop ballad that deals with lost love and was dedicated to her former lover, Alfredo Díaz Ordaz, who died in 1993.
The song received positive reactions from music critics who found it to be a gentle ballad. Add comma after "critics"
During this time, the singer started recording her sixth album, claiming that, "she wanted to prepare a quality product, so it took almost a year to make it. It's true that it took a while but it worth the wait, because it comes as the album title says, 'triumphing' strongly internationally'" The comma after "claiming that" is not needd
- This is attributed by the article to Rosario Valeriano of EMI México. It is not something the singer said.
- "It worth the wait" is missing a word.
Thalía also commissioned a song for the album from her friend Marco Flores who has written songs for the artist since she was part of Timbiriche music group in the 1980s. Add a comma after "Flores" and maybe remove "music group"
You can just say "Miami" instead of "Miami, Florida".
Add commas to help reading: This was the second song that Thalía dedicated to Ordaz, after "Sangre" in 1992. Thalía would later re-record "Entre el Mar y una Estrella" as a banda track, which was included on her compilation album Thalía con banda: Grandes éxitos (2001).
Sample box: According The Monitor's Vilma Maldonado, the song "beings with ethnic signing from the soul similar to tribal music" You're missing a "to", and "beings" should be "begins"
The visual was nominated in the category of Best Clip of the Year in the Latin field at the 2000 Billboard Video Music Awards, but lost to "Ritmo Total" (1999) by Enrique Iglesias. It also received a nomination at the 2000 El Premio de la Gente in the category of Video of the Year; but lost to "Atado a Tu Amor" by Chayanne. The comma is wrong (WP:CINS), and the semicolon is even more wrong. No punctuation needed there.
The song is said to stand out due to its emotional depth, powerful lyrics, and Thalía’s soul-stirring vocals. Said by whom? And what makes OldTimeMusic reliable?
A remix version by Pablo Flores was featured the remix album missing "on" and maybe redundant "remix"?
EMI Latin was suspected of performing payola and after further investigation Add comma after "payola"
According to Notimex, it reached number one in Costa Rica, and reached the top-ten in Ecuador, Honduras, Panama, Paraguay, and Venezuela. No need for the comma after Costa Rica (WP:CINS)
Fix "number number five"

Sourcing and spot checks

Encouragement: Did you know you can clip NewspaperArchive pages just like Newspapers.com? For instance, see [1]. If you have an NPA account, you can access the clippings you make while signed in outside of the proxy ([2]) and link to them.

2: Mentions her appearances in Rosalinda and Mambo café. Y
9: Album notes I can't check.
- Instead checking 33, an announcement that Billboard was investigating accusations of spot buys with this song mentioned as one of the outliers. Y
12: Brand as director (and nominated too). Y
16: Best Clip (Latin) award to Iglesias. Y
18: Official listing of winners. (A rare acceptable use of a press release.) Y

Media

There is a 15-second song sample and album art, both with NFUR. Encouragement: Add alt text for the image.

Thanks for the review! I will get to work on this either Sunday or Monday. @FanDePopLatino: to let you know the review is up in case you want to tackle some of the issues brought up. Erick (talk) 14:27, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I did the grammar corrections. I will try to get more stuff done on this article over the weekend so that we can get it to meet the criteria and become a good article. FanDePopLatino (talk) 01:57, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks FanDePopLatino for making the fixes! @Sammi Brie: In regards to the Notixmex, per this discussion, they can only be mentioned in the prose. As for the awards table, I personally do not see a need for one since all the awards are already mentioned in the prose, but if FanDePopLatino wants to include them, that's absolutely fine by me. Erick (talk) 22:37, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, OldTimeMusic was added to the spam blacklist just in the last few days because apparently it's been usurped by AI content generation. @Magiciandude and FanDePopLatino: there is one last pendiente in this review. Please ping me directly when it has been repaired.

The "quality product" quote is not Thalia. It is EMI México's Rosario Valeriano. This needs fixing.

Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 06:00, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Sammi Brie: Done. I also added the accolades in a table. Please let me know if I need to reword anything else before your final review. Thanks! FanDePopLatino (talk) 14:22, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by PrimalMustelid talk 17:50, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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~~... that "Entre el Mar y una Estrella" by Thalía was crowned as the best number one latin hit of the last 20 years in a 2020 survey conducted by Billboard?~~ Source: ^[1]
- ALT1: ... that "Entre el Mar y una Estrella" by Thalía was crowned as the best number one latin hit of the last 20 years in a survey conducted by Billboard?
- Reviewed:

Improved to Good Article status by FanDePopLatino (talk) and Magiciandude (talk). Nominated by FanDePopLatino (talk) at 03:47, 14 March 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Entre el Mar y una Estrella; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

Article promoted to Good Article and nominated in the proper time. Hook is well referenced and interesting but I would remove the year 2020 from it (but that is just a suggestion). No need for QPQ for nominator as it would be his second DYK. No copyright problems detected. Article appears to be within policy. Congrats on expanding the article for a really beautiful song. Javier Espinoza (talk) 05:43, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Jaespinoza: thanks for reviewing. I created the ALT1 with the "2020" removed. I appreciate your input! FanDePopLatino (talk) 21:42, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Roiz, Jessica (25 August 2020). "Fans Crowned This Thalia Song as the Best Billboard Latin Hit 20 Years Ago". Billboard. Archived from the original on 19 May 2022. Retrieved 28 April 2023.

[1] Roiz, Jessica (25 August 2020). "Fans Crowned This Thalia Song as the Best Billboard Latin Hit 20 Years Ago". Billboard. Archived from the original on 19 May 2022. Retrieved 28 April 2023.

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