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Enguerrand II de Ponthieu Genealogy

Hughes son of - he married Gisele de France, they had: (Note he had a brother Guy)

Enguerrand he married Aleida's daughter of Arnulf de Holland they had: (Note) he had a brother Guy not yours he was the Bishop of Amiens; he had another brother Foulques.)

Hughes he married Berthe d'Aumâle they had:

Enguerrand II de Ponthieu married Adelaide de Normandie.

He has the following children:

Adelaide de Montreuil –1096
Élisende de Ponthieu she married Hugh II, Count of Saint-Pol this is my line.
Guy Ier de Ponthieu this is my line

' What is below is correct.

See: Counts and Countesses of Ponthieu https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Count_of_Ponthieu

The Bayeux tapestry

by Musset, Lucien, 1922-2004 Publication date 2005 - Enguerrand is not mentioned yet it is used as a reference to support this argument see [14] Enguerrand II, Count of Ponthieu - Wikipedia https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Enguerrand_II,_Count_of_Ponthieu Pipera (talk) 23:21, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Tanner, Heather (2004). Families, Friends and Allies: Boulogne and Politics in Northern France and England, C.879-1160. Brill.

At no time does it say:

As Enguerrand died without male issue he was followed by his brother Guy I as Count of Ponthieu.

Keyword search Guy at no times does the text say this. Pipera (talk) 23:28, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thompson, Kathleen (2022). "The Perspective from Ponthieu: Count Guy and his Norman Neighbour". In Church, Stephen D. (ed.). Anglo-Norman Studies XLIV: Proceedings of the Battle Confe

hompson, Kathleen (2022). "The Perspective from Ponthieu: Count Guy and his Norman Neighbour". In Church, Stephen D. (ed.). Anglo-Norman Studies XLIV: Proceedings of the Battle Conference 2021. The Boydell Press. pp. 19–34.

States:

It was not a happy start for Enguerrand's successor, his younger brother, Guy, who must have been a very young man in 1053.

Her had a brother Guy yes, he also had a son Guy as well. Pipera (talk) 23:33, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The complete peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom : extant, extinct, or dormant by Cokayne, George E. (George Edward), 1825-1911; Howard de Walden, Thomas Evelyn Scott-Ellis, Baron, b. 1880; Warrand, Duncan, 1877-1946; Gibbs, Vicary, 1853-; Doubleday, H. Arthur (Herbert Arthur), 1867-1941; White, Geoffrey H. (Geoffrey Henllan), b. 1873 Publication date 1910

The complete peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom : extant, extinct, or dormant : Cokayne, George E. (George Edward), 1825-1911 : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive https://archive.org/details/completepeerageo01coka/page/n1/mode/2up

At no times in the referenced document state anything about his relationship with a Guy.

Pages 351 give a line of descent here it states a daughter Adelaide 1096. It states he was slain in 1053. There is no stated date of birth for his son, however he died in 1100.

So, saying he was his brother would be chronologically wrong. Pipera (talk) 23:44, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Right there on page 351 it says "Adelaide m. 1stly, Enguerrand II, count of Ponthieu, who d.s.p.m., being slain in 1053." D.s.p.m. is defined in the definitions section of the work, on pages xxxiv-xxxvi, where it means "died without male issue". So Enguerrand had no son. Ealdgyth (talk) 00:18, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There are a number of updated versions the work. Pipera (talk) 03:56, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]