Talk:English football league system/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

Well done there either England, or possibly the authors of this article, way to keep it from being at all confusing.

I'm kinda torn here, seems an article like this should be easier for a non expert (me in this case, not a soccer guy) to understand. On the other hand also seems like it's more likely that the system itself is simply confusing as hell. How do teams at the moderate to lower levels of the system survive financially? Are there really supporters for all these teams? Feels like by the time you get to the bottom level clubs the fanbase has to basically consist entirely of the player's mothers.

Anyway I am interested in the point of all this. But mainly was hoping for a breakdown of how much sustained movement goes on. With maybe examples of things like the most ranks any team has managed to climb in say a decade (or however long a span of time makes sense) and furthest any team has fallen during the same length if time. Interested in the most tiers any team has climbed in their entire existence as well as most any team has fallen. Also the number of times, on average, a club might move either up or down during say a 50 year (or whatever number makes sense) span of it's existence could be interesting.

Another area I'd find fascinating is the kinds of effect being relegated or promoted has on the fanbase, as well as team finances. If you have a bad season and get relegated does the added penalties of things like, smaller fan base, presumed need to lower tickets prices etc. make it virtually impossible to climb back up in the next season or so? Or do relegated teams tend to be far enough ahead of the teams in their new lower tier that they usually climb back immediately the following season? Do teams kind of on the bubble tend to get stuck in a semi-permanent yoyo effect where they continuously get relegated then promoted back and forth between two different tiers?

As I wrote that last paragraph it occurred to me that a system like this has to have critics, it would be nice to know what arguments detractors of the system make against it.

Oh another curiosity, at what tier is the rough cut off point where the players are able to make a survivable wage solely playing soccer? How many "professional" players are there in total? I am guessing based on this article there is a good chance to be more professional soccer players in England than there are professional athletes of any stripe in the U.S. Be interesting to figure that out for certain, well guess it would probably have to be a estimation really.

Anyway thought someone wholly unfamiliar with the system (me) might be able to point out some additions that those knowledgeable might fail to think to add due to their familiarity. It's actually an interesting article about a clearly complex system , but I'd like to learn more.

Sajiky (talk) 03:32, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Durham and Wearside Development Division

It may be thought by some that it is inappropriate for a division with 'Development' in its name to be included in this table. Durham and Wearside Development Division is a re-branding of the division formerly known as Durham Alliance Combination League, and now comes under the Wearside League as its second division. Indeed, for 2018–19, just 30% of its constituent teams are Reserve/Development teams - a lower proportion than in many other divisions listed in 'Level 12', (and less than some in Level 11). Drawoh46 (talk) 11:00, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

That would suggest that the Durham Alliance Combination League article needs some serious updating....... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:09, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Durham Alliance Combination League updated. (Maybe the Citation Needed tag could be withdrawn now; the citation given for the merge suggests that the league had been seen as a feeder in the past.) Drawoh46 (talk) 09:28, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

English League One

There's a mistake in this section as it says 3 teams are promoted, but 4 teams are relegated.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 51.6.11.29 (talk) 18:25, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

That is not a mistake, it is correct. Three teams are promoted to the Championship and four teams are relegated to League Two. -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:10, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

No historical information

Just a quick query - this article presents the current state of affairs very nicely, but there's no information about how things were in days gone by. For example the Football League Third Division South and North aren't mentioned. Would it be worth including a summary of the history, and major changes which led us to where we are now, or would that be overkill?  — Amakuru (talk) 10:12, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

@Amakuru: - History of the English non-League football system seems to cover the stuff below what is now the EFL. Maybe the changes to the EFL itself (which obviously are far fewer) could be covered within this article.....? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:28, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

That sounds a good plan. Obviously the detail in that other page is way too much to be covered here, but it would be useful to have the equivalent info regarding the top four divisions somewhere.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:31, 20 July 2021 (UTC)