Talk:Enduro World Championship

A) great work ;)

B) i would argue that enduro is not the oldest form of motorcycles sport (BTW motorcycles racing really needs renaming) but is the youngest - emerging only is what the 1970's(?) out of US desert racing - previously there was only Road Race, MX/scrambles, trials and track (ie grass) racing Pickle 19:23, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

A) Thanks.

B) OK, I've reworded the first sentence now, although that makes me question the FIM president's competence [23]. Thanks for the comments. Prolog 20:26, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

B) One could argue that enduros are not the youngest since a quick search shows enduros in the United States have been around since at least the 1940s or 50s. As such, I wouldn't totally rule out the claimed age of enduros without further investigation. I know many sites claim that United States flat/dirt track is the oldest form of motorcycle racing but I haven't seen any source to the claim as well.--I already forgot 21:19, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Well motocross (then known as scrambling) and trials came first as such in the 1920s. i believe grass track would have come around the same time (speedway was an import from Australia and/or the US a little latter in the inter war years. the actual idea of enduros really didn't pop its head up in UK / Europe till the 1970s when bikes became more specialised (ie with a few simple changes you ride a gold star to work, road race it, scramble it, grass track it and ride trials with it). trials thus became more focused on the observation and tighter sections while the "time and observation" side progressed into modern enduros, hence the ISDT becoming the ISDE eventually. stateside enduros are slightly older IMHO, where the tradition of desert racing is older - MX/scrambles didn't really take off till the 1970 (maybe late 1960s)/ Pickle 06:44, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Zerbi is referring to the ISDT (which became the ISDE as such only 20 to 30 years ago). the ISDT back then was more like the current Scottish (the SSDT ), but each nation had to build their own machines (or something). back then it was a triumph of national rider's ability, national motorcycles industries and most importantly manufactures reliability to finish such a tough long event in the days of poor (compared to today's standards) reliability. There a good desciption of the ISDT in the film "on any sunday" from an American perspective. Pickle 06:48, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Here is one ref for flat track. [24]. Also one for Motocross and Supercross [25] --I already forgot 09:49, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

The phrase "oldest" will always be contentious, with new forms emerging and the contentious nature of the current form of each discipline relating to its past form (can modern MX or trials be truly the same as their predecessors 80 to 90 years ago???). MX can be traced back in the UK to a timed event in Camberly the very early 1920s, trials came even earlier (as did road racing, see IOM TT articles). Track racing came form the states and the AMA museum article does show. As above "enduro" can depend if you interpret the enduro to be the legitimate holder of the mantle of the original reliability trials, typified by the ISDT, although i would content the current form of trials is. I have a pile of reference books at my dad's, I'll have to look some stuff up. Pickle 16:49, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

What about the World Enduro Team Championship held just now in Mexico? At least that's they are mentioned here in Finland. 82.141.125.249 (talk) 17:08, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

As I have learned, that competition is called International Six Days Enduro. But it serves as the "World Enduro Team Championship", effectively, and it seems to be called as such in some countries. I'll add a mention about it. 82.141.67.203 (talk) 00:04, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Hmm, no champions in 2012? Quite strange. 82.141.67.203 (talk) 00:30, 25 February 2013 (UTC)