Talk:Emmanuel Mormoris

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Background

It's interesting Emmanuele Mormori may have been of Greek or Albanian origin. But doesn't his surname indicate an older Venetian origin? Ahmet Q. (talk) 23:51, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Malcom is not sure about that though an in-depth research by Chatzopoulos offers the information that a far ancestor of Mormoris married a member of the Boua family. Nevertheless Mormoris never questioned his Greek identity [[1]].Alexikoua (talk) 08:12, 6 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I can't verify on Setton (1991) that Mormori "never questioned his Greek identity" - in fact, he doesn't discuss any identity, but he does put forward that he was "apparently of Greek origin". On the other hand, Stella, Aldo (2007). "Lepanto: Nella Storia e nella storiografia alla luce di nuovi documenti". Studi Veneziani. 51.: Mormoris Emanuele, promotore albanese dell'insurrezione antiturca. Thus, every alternative should be put forward neutrally. @Ahmet Q.: this is interesting, but I don't think that he used the surname "Mormori". "Murmuri" seems to be how this family/clan pronounced/wrote their surname. --Maleschreiber (talk) 13:07, 6 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

- - Side comment - intended for a broader discussion: His commander it: Pietro Giustiniani (ammiraglio) in 1576 calls him Emanuello Mormori Albanese, huomo valoroso [2]. It highlights the multiple identities which people possessed.--Maleschreiber (talk) 13:18, 6 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Name

Malcolm (2020), Stella (2007), Chatzopoulos (1993) all use "Mormori" instead of "Mormoris" . Maybe the title should be changed.--Maleschreiber (talk) 23:27, 6 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Aldo prefers to -s version. I will make further research on which form is mostly preferred.Alexikoua (talk) 23:45, 6 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I'm asking out of curiosity mostly. Also, if the early years section is kept as it is right now, I think that it's a good neutral version.--Maleschreiber (talk) 23:51, 6 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Stella Aldo & Giakoumis use the -is, while Chatzopoulos, Malcolm prefer the other -i version. I'm confused on which version can be considered more neutral. Sounds a 50-50 case.Alexikoua (talk) 11:30, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The article title should remove the -s from the surname. In addition to Malcolm (2020), Stella (2007) and Chatzopoulos (1993), Xhufi (2017) also uses Marmori, and he shows that the family members themselves use Murmori, while original Venetian documents use Mormori, Marmori or Murmuri. Korre (2016) notes this too. The -s group is a minority of Greek authors, so it would make sense for the -s ending to be used in the Greek Wikipedia, but not here. Çerçok (talk) 09:08, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Caption on the siege drawing

I don't believe that a selective presentation of the 16th century drawing is NPOV. The legend on the drawing begins: "Soppoto forteza Cimerra della Grecia...". If we should stay neutral lets present the entire picture, but presenting selective quotes from a 16th century drawing falls clearly into wp:POV.Alexikoua (talk) 15:14, 26 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I wonder why the general description of the drawing should be hidden from the caption. "Soppoto forteza Cimerra della Grecia..." is how the overall description of this drawing begins.Alexikoua (talk)

What is relevant for the scope of this article is only the description provided by the images that directly concern Manoli Mormori. – Βατο (talk) 18:20, 26 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A general introductory description of the even "is" essential to be included. You are crossing an extreme pov line here. Anyway I will make the correction in Borsh as you agree that at least it belongs there.Alexikoua (talk) 18:24, 26 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No, I don't agree, it is not essential, and it obviously was not in Greece. – Βατο (talk) 18:31, 26 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

None believes that 16th century notes are RS. You are smart and know you can't use 16th century notes as RS here. By the way per bibliography Mormoris wasn't in charge of an entirely Albanian force either. That's in contrast with the existing RS bibliography. That's also why Im stating that this part is unsourced: because you present this 16th century note as being backed by RS which is not good. Alexikoua (talk) 19:32, 26 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Artillery

Please change "artilerry" to "artillery". 79.54.226.50 (talk) 11:21, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done Ktrimi991 (talk) 11:31, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]