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Elmer W. Harris

Elmer is NOT a fighter ace. He has 3 confirmed kills in the air ref. http://aces.safarikovi.org/victories/doc/usaf.aerial.victory.credits-korean.war-by.unit.pdf. Also, per "Stars and Bars by Frank Olynyk the ultimate reference on fighter aces of WW2 and Korea he is no ace. I am exec. dir. American Fighter aces Assoc. the gate keeper of all victories associated with fighter aces from U.S. all wars. All references in this article are not relevant. Also, all victories must be air to air and article states ground victories. Victories on 5/28/52 (2) and 7/12/52 are authentic for total of 3 air to air kills. All other talk on this page is false. Entire page should be removed immediately out of respect for those that are authentic. Fighterace2 (talk) 17:48, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Fighterace2, the primary author of that article, User:WikiDon, was indefinitely blocked 16 years ago for a variety of misconduct. That is another possible indication that the article may well have problems. As a preliminary step, I have tagged the claim of being an ace and the claim of eight kills of enemy aircraft as dubious. I lack expertise in the field but I suspect that the misunderstanding originated from crediting planes strafed and destroyed on the ground as counting toward ace status. The World War II section of our article Flying ace says Some U.S. commands also credited aircraft destroyed on the ground as equal to aerial victories. Is that accurate? Could this be the source of the controversy? As for processes for removing the article, please read Wikipedia:Deletion policy. Cullen328 (talk) 18:19, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fighterace2, the article was created 19 years ago in August 2005 when Wikipedia's standards were much looser. I have checked with Google Books and was unable to find anything describing him as an ace. I did find a paragraph about him in the March 1954 issue of a magazine called The Air Reservist that says he shot down three planes in Korea and received the Silver Star and the Distinguished Flying Cross. In 1954, he was a commercial pilot for now defunct National Airlines. This ace claim appears to be bad original research by an over eager Wikipedia editor 19 years ago. Cullen328 (talk) 19:14, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]