Talk:Elizabeth of Sicily, Queen of Hungary

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Move to Elizabeth of Sicily, Queen of Hungary

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: move. DrKiernan (talk) 13:42, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Elizabeth of Sicily (1261–1300)→Elizabeth of Sicily, Queen of Hungary — The guideline does not prohibit using marital titles to distinguish between namesakes. Gryffindor is aware (or should be aware) of several similar discussions that have taken place - they have all resulted in moving X of Y (xxxx-yyyy) to X of Y, Queen of Z because such disambugation is much more useful. Is this woman notable for being a queen or for having lived between 1261 and 1300? Is she better known as Elizabeth of Sicily, Queen of Hungary, or as an Elizabeth of Sicily who died in 1300?

We need some sort of disambiguation. However, putting the years or birth and death in the article title is not the best way to do it. When going through categories or disambiguation pages, it is much easier to realize that Elizabeth of Sicily, Queen of Hungary, is the Elizabeth of Sicily you're looking for. Two numbers say much less than "Queen of Hungary" says. Surtsicna (talk) 14:18, 14 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support. [tk] XANDERLIPTAK 13:27, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support, I agree that the royal title is a much more helpful and recognizable disambiguator than dates.--Kotniski (talk) 11:01, 18 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Much clearer. --Bermicourt (talk) 16:54, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support--David (talk) 19:20, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Illegitimate child

In the year 1314 the illegitimate son of the Queen was mentioned with his sons in a court verdict judged by an abbot of a monastery in Hungary, he became ancestor of the Keglević family ^[1], he was the son of the lawyer of George I Šubić of Bribir and a relative of Helen of Anjou^[2] (see Peter Tempesta).

I've placed this section here as I doubt it is historically correct due to the lack of reliable sources, I think it should stay here until new evidence is found--David (talk) 20:25, 23 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think this is true. None of the links mentions anything about Elizabeth and the name of this so called illegitimate son isn't even mentioned.--Queen Elizabeth II's Little Spy (talk) 21:56, 23 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If there's no reliable source to back the claim it cannot be added even if she did actually have an illegitimate son.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 07:33, 24 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ [1] http://genealogy.euweb.cz/hung/keglevich1.html
^ Magyar Országos Levéltár

[1] [1] http://genealogy.euweb.cz/hung/keglevich1.html

[2] Magyar Országos Levéltár

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