Talk:Elizabeth Mynatt

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Birthday

Is the correct birthday December 7 or July 12? The article reports both. MaxVeers (talk) 00:55, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's July 12 and someone appears to have already fixed the article. Svoida (talk) 04:16, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Untrue statements by 72.74.248.236/Now known as user "No Oath"

To this anonymous user - i see that you keep adding content that is inflammatory and just untrue. In your revisions you even decided it was okay to change the title of news article to fit your narrative. What is the purpose of this? If you could please refrain from changing this article from the objective tone, it would be appreciated. Of course, if you have verified sources to back up your claims, then I would welcome the purposed changes to persist. Jesspater (talk) 12:48, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@No_Oath I have asked for a third opinion on this article to address the difference in opinion related to the objectivity of edits to the career section of this article. Jesspater (talk) 01:29, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Career

@No_OathI think it would be good to try to better understand the differences in opinion we are having on the subjectivity of this section of the page. Without citations about the process, maybe there should be an agreement that all of the context beyond the code itself should be removed?

I have looked for authentication for your additions and can't find anything. I would like to make this as civil as possible.

The oath is found here: https://www.khoury.northeastern.edu/about/mission-and-vision/ The article about purposing it does not mention compulsion: https://www.khoury.northeastern.edu/dean-mynatt-proposes-oath-for-computer-scientists-at-khoury-college-graduation/

I appreciate that we all have differences of opinions. However, if something can't be verified, I don't think it should be presented as factual. Jesspater (talk) 16:19, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is no spoken or published or understood opt-out policy. Therefor the Dean is essentially using peer pressure (and the heightened feelings at graduation with parents often present) to enforce. The administration and Ms. Mynatt have been asked repeated in formal letters and Khoury College forums to elaborate and have declined to do so. Also they have declined to name an author or a formal process for consensus. The articles referenced by you above, do not answer these questions. Verify that there is an author, formal process and opt-out policy and I will acquiesce. Ms. Mynatt is supposed to be a scholar and academic. Why won't she and the college just do the proper work to build consensus? Do Dean's possess unilateral power over students? Is this not an abuse?! No Oath (talk) 17:39, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the reply! I think that there are a quite a few assumptions in your response. My concern is the objectivity of the section. My suggestion is to remove all text after the statement of the oath existing to make this section focused and as objective as possible. It seems based on your response that there is a personal issue you have with Dean Mynatt and this oath that might be more appropriately handled offline. Jesspater (talk) 12:49, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I also think that truncating the career article to the existence of the Oath without additional commentary would serve 2 critical purposes. 1) it feels like a respectable compromise and 2) is in line with Wikipedia's editing policy Wikipedia:Editing policy Jesspater (talk) 13:04, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I do not accept your revisions as they are biased and incomplete to the point of being inaccurate. I can site an article written by Ms.Mynatt that states: "Modelled on the Hippocratic oath, this statement – which all of our students recite and adopt" (the misspelling of the word modeled is from the article not a typo on my part). This does not sound like "introduced" or "invited" or any other words euphemistically used to cover the fact that Ms.Mynatt has taken it upon herself to author the Oath and to enforce it without the representation of students, other faculty or any process of review. Additionally she has censored dissent over the Oath which I can and will cite. What kind of respectable college administrator does this? Name one. Additionally Ms. Mynatt's Oath is not anything like the Hippocratic Oath or the Oath of Engineers and to represent it as such is a blatant attempt to borrow credibility. I can't for the life of me understand why you are attempting to provide cover for Ms. Mynatt but I am happy to discuss further in a different forum. I don't like gumming-up Wikipedia over a this dispute but facts are facts. In this case the facts are complicated and Wikipedia is not a PR or propaganda tool for high-profile individuals. If you are truly interested in understanding and providing a complete and truthful account of the origin story, authorship and enforcement of the Oath, please suggest another forum. I'm fine with removing *everything* subjective about the Oath from Ms. Mynatt's page and creating a separate more detailed page about the Oath that can be referenced from Ms. Mynatt's page. There are many citations that can be made on that page to support the complete truth regarding the Oath. I will leave your revision for 48 hours then I will re-edit with citations. No Oath (talk) 14:31, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am also happy to detail my personal experience with Ms. Mynatt in another forum. Things aren't always as they appear. No Oath (talk) 14:35, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In addition, their response to legitimate enquiries has been to censor those enquiries. Not very scholarly. No Oath (talk) 17:42, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@No Oath - Since I haven't heard from you, I've made the update with the the compromise that I suggested. If you have an issue with it, please respond here so we can discuss - I don't think anyone wants an edit war. Thanks! Jesspater (talk) 14:15, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See above thread. No Oath (talk) 14:12, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Citation 18, straight from Ms. Mynatt. No Oath (talk) 16:03, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/opinion/computer-science-students-must-be-taught-consider-social-effects No Oath (talk) 16:05, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Again, I'm happy to discuss in detail in another forum. Sooner or later we will both be kicked off for excessive editing and I for one would like to reach a consensus but this is not the place. If you are open to the facts and a fair discourse, I'm more than happy to engage, in another forum. Frankly I'm leaning toward creating a whole new page just for the Oath -- I could write a thesis on why I believe it is controversial. No Oath (talk) 16:12, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jess Pater -- if there is an opt-out policy, accredited oversight or peer review, please point me to a citation. Again, I ask you to take the discussion offline. No Oath (talk) 22:37, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]