Talk:Elcho Castle

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Review: October 20, 2022. (Reviewed version).

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A fact from Elcho Castle appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 3 November 2022 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Elcho Castle never saw combat, but was nearly burned down by a mob in 1773?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2022/November. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Elcho Castle.

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Pronunciation

Is it /ˈɛlxɔ/, /ˈɛlxəʊ/, /ˈɛltʃəʊ/ or something else? --Thrissel (talk) 16:15, 23 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

From what little sense I can make of IPA, i'd suggest /ˈɛlxoʊ/, which may be the same as /ˈɛlxəʊ/? Thanks, Jonathan Oldenbuck (talk) 13:00, 24 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers mate, added it to the article. --Thrissel (talk) 23:12, 24 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Elcho Castle/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Djmaschek (talk · contribs) 21:30, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Initial review

I plan to assess this article for GA class. I have skimmed the article and I do not see any major issues. Djmaschek (talk) 21:30, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Review 1

For B class reviews, I usually make minor corrections myself. However, for GA class reviews, I ask that the author make all the edits. (I found remarkably few typos.) Please either make the suggested changes, or argue your case if you disagree. Thanks. Djmaschek (talk) 23:10, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Introduction: Please add one or more sentences explaining why Elcho Castle is notable. That is, explain why it is a scheduled monument or listed building.
- Done. -Kj cheetham (talk) 17:07, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Introduction: You write that it was "given to the state", yet the article states that the property is still owned by the Wemyss family. Who is "the state": UK or Scotland or some government entity? Does the castle belong to this entity while the land itself belongs to the family? Please elaborate. You could refer to "the state" in the introduction, but give the details in the 20th and 21st century section. This arrangement may be familiar to persons in the UK, but I'm American and I'm wondering.
- This was a bit misleading I think. The property was still owned by the Wemyss family, it's just the guardianship/care of it was given to a Scottish minister. In practice I think it's now looked after by Historic Environment Scotland, which is a government body. I've tried to clarify this on the article itself. -Kj cheetham (talk) 17:07, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Description, paragraph 1, sentence 1: "It consists" > "Elcho Castle consists".
- Done. -Kj cheetham (talk) 09:50, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
History, paragraph 4, last sentence: "taken maternal grandfather’s name" > "taken his maternal grandfather’s name".
- Done. -Kj cheetham (talk) 09:50, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
History, paragraph 5, last sentence: "After which the castle was abandoned." > "After this incident the castle was abandoned. (or "After the fire")
- Done. -Kj cheetham (talk) 09:50, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
20th and 21st century, last paragraph: "as part of conversation work by" (What is "conversation work"? Do you mean conservation?)
- Oops, yes I did mean conservation. Done. -Kj cheetham (talk) 09:50, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
20th and 21st century: The water taxi comment suggests that the castle is a tourist attraction. If this is true, please add a note about this. While the castle has historical interest, its current use as a museum or tourist attraction is also important. Is there an entry fee? When is it open to the public?
- The fee information was removed from the website, but I've added a note about opening times and that it's currently restricted access. -Kj cheetham (talk) 17:07, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Djmaschek, thank you for your comments. I hope I've addressed all your points in this review. -Kj cheetham (talk) 17:07, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Kj cheetham: GA class. Nice work. Djmaschek (talk) 02:26, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by RoySmith (talk) 23:32, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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View of Elcho Castle

... that the 16th century Elcho Castle (pictured) featured both en suite accomodation, and a large number of gun loops? Source: https://www.secret-scotland.com/place/elcho-castle
- ALT1: ... that Elcho Castle (pictured) has been in the same family since it was first constructed around 1560? Source: https://www.historicenvironment.scot/visit-a-place/places/elcho-castle/history/ and MacSween, Ann (2003). Elcho Castle. Edinburgh: Historic Scotland
- ALT2: ... that Elcho Castle (pictured) was never involved in military activity, but was nearly burned down in 1773? ~~Source: http://www.castlesfortsbattles.co.uk/perth_fife/elcho_castle.html~~ Source: https://www.historicenvironment.scot/archives-and-research/publications/publication/?publicationId=b1aacae4-9c1e-4acd-aef4-a8150104c578
- Reviewed:
- Comment: This is only my 4th nomination, so QPQ not required.

Improved to Good Article status by Kj cheetham (talk). Self-nominated at 17:47, 20 October 2022 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: @Kj cheetham: Good article! However, what makes castlesfortsbattles.co.uk a reliable source? Onegreatjoke (talk) 18:30, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Onegreatjoke: Good spot! Looking at http://www.castlesfortsbattles.co.uk/about.html it seems to be a self-published source. When I added it I was assuming it was acceptable as I assumed the author was an expert in the field as per WP:USINGSPS. However in practice I can't confirm that as I'm not aware of anything else they've published, so I'm not convinced it is a reliable source. I'll look into replacing what it's used to reference with alternative sources and get back to you.

@Onegreatjoke: I've now added a better ref for ALT2, plus a picture for this DYK. Hope that is ok. Thanks. -Kj cheetham (talk) 15:16, 22 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Kj cheetham: Though you did find a better source, i'm not exactly finding proof for ALT2. The only 1773 thing the source says was that the castle was involved in a mob but not nearly burnt down. Onegreatjoke (talk) 16:07, 22 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Onegreatjoke: Unfortunately I can't find a reliable online source that mentions burning specifically, but I have a book (MacSween, Ann (2003). Elcho Castle. Edinburgh: Historic Scotland. ISBN 9781903570777, page 10) that says "A mob marched from Perth to Elcho and soldiers had to prevent a riot and the burning of the castle." Is that sufficient? -Kj cheetham (talk) 16:16, 22 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Kj cheetham: Well then I would have to assume good faith on that and proceed. Onegreatjoke (talk) 16:18, 22 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]