Talk:Elazığ Province/Archive 1

Archive 1

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This is Wikipedia, not Turkey. I consider the removal of information on the Armenian genocide to be a very bad case of vandalism and will block anonymous editors who remove this info.--Wiglaf 10:12, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

well, Wiglaf, there is some concern for fair balance; of course the Armenian genocide took place here, 90 years ago. But somehow this strikes me like the intro to Nuremberg:

Nuremberg (German: Nürnberg) is a city in the German state of Bavaria, in the administrative region of Middle Franconia. It is situated on the Pegnitz river and the (Rhine-)Main-Danube Canal. Population (as of 07/2004): 494,933. It is known as the location of the Nuremberg rallies of the Nazi Party, and for the Nuremberg Trials of Nazis after World War II.

Now if this was the whole Nuremberg article, it would be rather unfair to reduce the city's history to the events in the 1930s. It is even questionable, imho, to place them so prominently in the lead. People who object to this lack of balance in this article can, of course, add more information rather than blanking. dab (ᛏ) 09:17, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

IMO, it is not the mention of the Armenian genocide that is the problem, but the fact that the editors prefer to remove it rather than to balance the article with some information.--Wiglaf 09:30, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

The Armenian genocide happened over a large area of eastern Turkey in over a dozen provinces and many cities. Are you insisting each of those has a link to Armenian genocide? Do the articles for the German states all mention the Holocaust? How about Poland? CDThieme 14:47, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Well, this region is still called Armenia on my maps. IMHO, the Armenians belong very much to the history of this province, and they should be mentioned, as well as why there are very few, or none, left. CDThieme, instead of attacking their being mentioned in the article, do add the interesting information that this article deserves. I am sure that there is a great deal to tell about this province. You should also note that a piece of information is not removable because there is little else in the article.--Wiglaf 15:12, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

You still haven't answered any of the questions I asked, though. CDThieme 23:12, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

I think the "over a two dozen provinces and many cities" should be expanded will all relevant information about them. This also includes their history, significant modern and recent populations and an overview of their history in the province (including the Armenian genocide).--Wiglaf 06:15, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

NPOV

While I agree with Wiglaf that the way how to make better articles is not removing contents, I also agree with objections against current state of the article. It is like if article on Bavaria was: Bavaria is a land in Germany, bordering Austria. In southern part of Bavaria are Alps. Bavaria was a scene of holocaust. It is not clear why link of Elazig and Armenian genocide is particulary important.

I don't agree with the logic "yes, the article is advancing one POV in selection of the facts, but it's up to you to ballance the POV you don't agree with". Any wikipedian who can add more info / make it more balanced should do so. npov should be a small incentive also for the those sympathethic with current pov.

If no improvement happens, I'll try to add something next week, but my knowledge of Elazig province is very limited (the tea in the tearoom next to the train station was good :-) --Wikimol 10:59, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

I hope that you do add information. I am sure it is an interesting province (even my own can be interesting if presented properly) :).--Wiglaf 11:22, 7 September 2005 (UTC)