Talk:Edward of Angoulême/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Sturmvogel 66 (talk · contribs) 19:16, 27 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'll get to this shortly.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 19:16, 27 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No DABs, external links OK.
Why should Richardson's death date be preferred over the other sources like Weir?
I added one cite tag that needs to be addressed.
This is awkward: John of Gaunt attempted to assert himself as regent, but this was avoided.
How could John of Gaunt assert himself as king while the Black Prince still lived?
This is also awkward: refusal of the French to sign off French territory to the English.
Can you get a better source than Garde for Gaunt acting as the defacto regent after Richard's majority? I have a hard time believing that he would have instituted Richard's "tyrannical" policies.
Use title case on all English-language titles in the bibliography and footnotes
Suggest adding OCLC numbers to books published before the ISBN was invented.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 05:31, 4 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- @Sturmvogel 66: Thank you for your feedback. Now, for the review:
  - Richardson's date of death is based on a contemporary chronicle (which states "Circa festum sancti michaelis [29 Sept.] obiit Edwardus filius Edwardi principis Aquitanie et Wallie in partibus transmarinis natus ex Johanna uxore dicti principis etate sex annorum"), placing Edward's death in 1370, before the other two available dates of 1371 and 1372. Weir does not offer citations throughout her book, it just seemed logical that the earliest date would be correct. Nonetheless, I have added two more citations supporting this date of death.
  - Cite tag: hopefully solved now.
  - Awkward phrasing: fixed.
  - I have rephrased it by saying that Gaunt would claim the throne.
  - Awkward phrasing: fixed.
  - Although I don't see any problem with Garde being the citation, I have added another source. John of Gaunt also appears as de facto regent on Richard II's article.
  - All titles are title cased now.
  - OCLC added for all books with no ISBN listed. --Alex (talk) 09:28, 4 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    - Thanks for your quick response. You've addressed most of the issues above quite satisfactorily, but a couple of problems remain.
      - Richard II had successfully asserted himself against the Lords Appellant by 1389 when he was 22, already past his majority. I can easily believe that Gaunt remained one of Richard's councilors, but not as his defacto regent, during the 1390s. If this is true, I'd like an academic source, rather than the popular histories you've used as they may be referring to the 1380s. Preferably something on English government of the time or directly addressing Richard's reign in the 1390s. I always prefer something more specific over more general sources as I have often seen that popularizers like Weir and general historians really don't know the material in depth. Garde may be know a lot about homosexuals throughout history, forex, but I'd question his knowledge about Richard's government in detail. What does Saul say about the issue?
      - French to sign off their land to the English This is still awkward. How about something like "the French refused to formally acknowledge their territorial losses by transferring them to the English"?--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 14:02, 4 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        @Sturmvogel 66:
        I know see what you mean, it's the year that is wrong, not the information itself. I've added a citation from the Oxford DNB which states John was regent for about three years, I hope this is alright.
        
        Done. --Alex (talk) 18:13, 4 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        I thought it might be something like that as Richard was rather insistent on ruling himself after he reached his majority, IIRC.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 18:25, 4 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]