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Confusion

Although I'm not 100% certain of my facts, I believe this article confuses two different yachts (Project Eclipse and Project M147), both currently under construction at Blohm & Voss.

The yacht currently referred to as "Eclipse" is expected to be launched some time in 2009 and to be 160-162 meters (526-533 feet) long, at which length it would "eclipse" the Sheikh of Dubai's yacht "Dubai," which, at 525 feet, is currently the longest yacht in the world. "Eclipse" is also sometimes referred to as Hull 978 and RA162. Other than the general belief that Roman Abramovich is the owner, I don't think that much is known publicly about this project, and I've seen no photographs or plans anywhere.

Project M147 is also said to be under construction at Blohm & Voss, for delivery probably before "Eclipse." It will be 147 meters (484 feet) long and was indeed designed by Hermidas Atabeyki. You'll find drawings of it on his web site (http://www.atabeyki.com/). I don't know who the owner is, but I've heard that it's not Roman Abramovich.

I'd like to mention too that the list of features given in this article is full of inaccuracies. For example, the yacht's length is given as 482.6 feet at the beginning of the article (although, as I said, I think it will actually be 526-533 feet), but the "physical parameters" given toward the end of the article say the yacht will be 187.1 meters (615 feet)in length and 121.5 meters (400 feet) in breadth. To my knowledge, there is not a yacht, cruise ship, freighter, oil tanker, or aircraft carrier anywhere in the world with a 400-foot breadth. Also, although the article says at one point that the cruise speed will be 25 knots, which would be impressive, at another point it says it will be 45 knots, which seems most unlikely. Further, although the article gives the accommodations as one owner's suite, 16 guest suites, and 15 VIP suites, for a total of 30 suites, it also gives the maximum number of owners and guests that can be accommodated as 24. Does this mean that 24 of those 30 suites can accommodate only one person and that the remaining six can't accommodate even that?

There may be some facts in this article, but amid the contradictions, the obvious inaccuracies (a yacht that's 615 ft long and 400 ft wide!), and what I think is the conflation of two different projects it's hard to know where they are. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rensselaerswick1637 (talk • contribs) 20:15, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah the article confused the M-147 and Eclipse, which are different projects. I have removed all the references and information from M-147 and added another source for Eclipse . There are still contradicting informations on size, but only because no official size has been given to the public. The info that is still in the article is from the Wall Street and Spiegel articles so it should be okay to leave it in until more info is available. Theduk3 (talk) 13:45, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Photos?

If this thing set sail this week like Wired claims (http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/09/russian-billionaire-installs-anti-photo-shield-on-giant-yacht/), then where the hell are the photos? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.61.244.66 (talk • contribs) 02:53, 22 September 2009

Indeed. A CCD detector would do nothing to stop an old-fashioned mechanical film camera, and some of those are very good indeed! 86.136.252.24 (talk) 17:42, 7 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A laser defense against paparazzi? Doubtful, although I suppose one could be triggered by a flash. A more workable system would be powerful electronic flashes on the vessel that would be triggered by a camera's flash, thus over-exposing the image. Even that could be defeated. I suspect the defense against paparazzi actually deployed is the old fashioned one: big guys with hard fists. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pixeljim (talk • contribs) 08:11, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Someone wrote:

a photo of the vessel on trials can be seen here:

http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=990084

Someone else wrote:

The link is not a photo of Eclipse. It looks like Tatoosh, a smaller but very nice ship also from Germany.

I have removed both... Evercat (talk) 19:07, 7 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It would do nothing to stop 99% of photojournalist cameras either as they use a CMOS image sensor and not a CCD. All this stuff seems very strange to m. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.167.110.174 (talk) 00:22, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm pretty sure that the anti-photo system (if it exists) works in the same manner as military optics detection systems, which scan an area with low-power lasers and look for reflections coming off of optics such as the lenses on a camera. If that's so the sensor type wouldn't matter a bit since that's not what it's actually looking for (there's no reason such a system couldn't detect, say, a human eye). Some countermeasures such as the old AN/VLQ-7 Stingray go a step further and can blind whatever's behind the optics with a high-power laser beam. If the yacht does have such a system it would likely be low-power to prevent permanent damage and require manual confirmation before the blinding component was activated in order to prevent legal issues. It's certainly possible and I the idea of it being used as an anti-paparazzi measure is hilarious. (209.237.66.208 (talk) 00:18, 22 May 2011 (UTC))[reply]

Is this for real? A photo is in the Barbados Newspaper. Super yacht ends visit CaribDigita (talk) 22:45, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Port of registration?

I did not spot that one. 82.134.28.194 (talk) 11:25, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Obviously stupid question

Why does one person need more than one big yacht? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mizanthrop (talk • contribs) 09:52, 17 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If you grew up in an orphanage and then stole billions from your own country, you'd know. Until then, shush! Le Grand Bleu (talk) 14:08, 13 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Missile launchers?

Curretly reads "For security, Eclipse is fitted with a missile detection system,[3] missile launchers and self-defense systems.[9]"

Whilst this is sourced, I have serious doubts that this ship has missile launchers. Apart from the legalities such weapons are potentially dangerous to the crew and passengers on a ship that has them.

The source reads "“Eclipse is equipped with all sorts of special features, including missile launchers and self-defense systems on board,” Causier said. “It has a secret submarine evacuation area and things like that.”"

It is possible that Causier simply misspoke and was referring to missile counter measures not launchers.

I'll believe it when I see an indisputable source for this.

Danrok (talk) 20:04, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]