Talk:Echo-class submarine

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Two Echo II's were lost in the Sea of Japan, one in Sept. 1984 and one in Jan. 1986. But I have to track down the sources. L Hamm 14:18, 15 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Echo class casualties

Thinking of adding a subheading of echo-class submarine casualties. For example,

June 1970, Echo-II (K-108), collision with USS Tautog (SSN-639) off Kamchatka Penn., fatalities unknown

14 June 1973, Echo-II (K-56), collision with "Academic Berg", 27 dead

26 September 1976, Echo-II (K-47), fire in compartment 8, Barents Sea, 8 dead

21 August 1980 an Echo I class (K-222), reactor fire, 90 naut. mil. E of Okinawa, 9 dead

18 June 1984 an Echo-II (K-131), fire in compartment 8, 13 dead

10 August 1985 an Echo-II class (K-431), reactor explosion while refueling, Chasma Bay, 10 dead

26 June 1989 an Echo-II (K-192), reactor accident, off Bear Island, Barents Sea, fatalities unknown.

[1] L Hamm 16:23, 17 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

A list of ships bearing the NATO reporting names Echo-I and Echo-II is provided by globalsecurity.org[2], I am not sure as to the accuracy of their information. There are conflicting dates and accidents given in their list.

There were no losses of Echo II's in the Sea of Japan (to say more, there were no any losses of Echo's at all). There were no any accidents with Echo II's of Pacific Fleet in Sept. 1984 and Jan. 1986. All significant accidents (with corresponding dates) happened with Echo's have been added to the article in addition to the info by L Hamm, some info from L Hamm was corrected. A list of all submarines of Echo I and Echo II classes have been added to the article (sources - [3] and reference book "Submarines of Russia" by Il'in and Kolesnikov, 2001) --Vladimir Historian (talk) 11:59, 14 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

K431 scrapped

According to NHK, K-431, the sub which had the catastrophic reactor incident in 1985, has cooled or its radition emissions have diminished sufficiently to allow it to be scrapped and it has been moved 30 km to a shipyard near Vladivostock. Cla68 (talk) 07:58, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

K-108 collision with USS Tautog

The text "the conning tower of Tautog was damaged and flooded" is incorrect. A conning tower is a room equipped to conn (command and maneuver) the sub, and this room lies above the main pressure hull. Tautog was a Sturgeon-class submarine, and that class never had a conning tower within their sails (the only two nuclear U.S. subs to have them were Seawolf (SSN-575) and Triton (SSRN-586)). What the Sturgeons had was a simple tube with hatches at both ends that would prevent the opening of the lower hatch from flooding the sub with a minor amount of residual water after surfacing; this tube was called an "access trunk". and presumably it was the access trunk that flooded. This needs to be changed to "the sail of Tautog was damaged and the access trunk in it was flooded". If there are no objections within a month I will do this.Tfdavisatsnetnet (talk) 17:31, 12 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Change made Tfdavisatsnetnet (talk) 00:37, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

K22 collision with Voge

The citation saying Voge was towed to Crete is incorrect. Voge was towed to the French Naval facility in Toulon France where she was dry docked to have her prop replaced. She was in Toulon for quite a while waiting for delivery of the prop from the US. 2600:1003:B860:F350:F822:C242:3B84:9AF (talk) 21:13, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Split the article?

Is there any reason why this article shouldn't be split into Echo I and Echo II articles rather than just lumped together? Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 01:20, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not that I can see. There should be enough info for two articles. Llammakey (talk) 18:07, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]