Talk:East Frisian Low Saxon

Dialects

I'd like to know the source of this classification:

There are several dialects in Eastern Friesland Low Saxon:
*Standard East Frisian Low Saxon north of Leer, east of the river Ems;
*Brookmer Platt in the Brookmerland and Aurich (Auerk) area; and
*Rheiderländer Platt west of the river Ems around the city of Weener.

In my opinion there is no "Standard East Frisian Low Saxon". Of course there is a Brookmer Platt and a Rheiderländer Platt (which maybe is a little bit strange for people from Aurich), but there are dialects e.g. from the Norderland, the Harlingerland, Fehntjer Platt and so on, too. And the Platt of Leer isn't standard. If you want to divide into different dialect groups it would be more helpful if ALL the dialects are shown or just the "normal" East Frisian dialects and the Harlinger variation, which has more influence from the Oldenburgerland.

For example: Most East Frisians "proten Platt" ("...speak Platt"), but the Harlinger East Frisians "snackt Platt. 141.88.229.210 14:06, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

ISO

The ISO code is confirmed to be for the German lect. However, there's some mixup in the E17 description and it's not clear if the population figure is for that or for Frisian. — kwami (talk) 21:21, 7 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sources, citations, questions

There is a lot of unproven and uncited information in this article which may or may not be true. I assume that a lot of it really is popular theory and OR.

For instance, I'd like to see some evidence for the claim that the greeting "Moin" has its origins in East Frisia and has spread from there to the whole of northern Germany. Neither the English nor the German article on Moin know any of this. On the contrary, according to the German article the earliest evidence of this word is to be found in Berlin.

There is also an issue with the first external reference. It's supposed to support the number of native speakers (230,000 in East Frisia, 3,000 in other countries - which, BTW, raises the fairly obvious question if there are no native speakers in Germany outside of East Frisia). The link however has no such numbers, and the numbers given there (2000) plus calling the language "moribund" can really refer to something like Saterfriesisch only.

Also, I'd like to understand why the article uses "Low Saxon" instead of "Low German" for "Plattdütsch". Low Saxon simply is a disambiguation page, and even Low Saxon languages redirects to Low German. --93.212.228.146 (talk) 17:34, 16 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]