Talk:Early Slavs/Archive 2

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venethi

their origin could be Vinča culture in pannonian basin. 5500-4500 bc. the ethymology is the same. vincha, vinica, venice, vindija, vendi, veneti... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.126.219.110 (talk) 14:39, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Several millenia? Really? Do you have any sources for this wild theory? And which Venethi do you mean? Drabek (talk) 18:14, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

back in ancient times, spoken heritage was the only and most accurate. acording to this slavic legend, leh, cheh and rus, all came from pannonia, the motherland of all slavs. http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A7%D0%B5%D1%85,_%D0%9B%D0%B5%D1%85_%D0%B8_%D0%A0%D1%83%D1%81. that culture(vincha) and cucuteni-tripolian were one of the oldest in europe.212.13.86.194 (talk) 10:05, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Veneti, Antes were Slavs if you like it or not, according to antique historians (not modern occultists).

Some suggestion and question

• As far as I know similarities of the languages spoken by Slavic peoples gave rise to the emergence of the idea of "Slavs". There are, of course, some common characteristic in their culture, and maybe (I do not know) some genetical connections can also be demonstrated, but their idiom remained the basis of labelling the Czechs, the Croats, the Russians and other peoples together as Slavs. Therefore, I suggest that the "Ethnogenesis" section should be started with a linguistic approach. Actually, from linguistic point of view there are much less debates among scholars than in the field of archaeology, etc. Borsoka (talk) 16:48, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
• I do not understand the "Conclusion" section. First of all, there are no conclusions in that section. Otherwise, do we need to come to any conclusion? For me, the idea of "conclusion" itself suggests some sort of original research. Borsoka (talk) 16:48, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
• Do we need overemphasize the debates among archaeologists on the location of the Slavic homeland? Actually, 90% of the proposed homelands is located somewhere in Belarus, Poland, Ukraine or Romania. I know that the conception of "homeland" is also debated by many scholars, which can be added, but there are many scholars still searching for specific homelands for specific peoples. Borsoka (talk) 16:48, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Typical Hungarian occultist who writes in "quotes"; and desperately wants to sell us another occult / fascist theory about Slavic nonexistence... Slavs exist, they existed and their common characteristics are in pre christian (and elements which survived assimilated into current christianity) faith, language, rich culture, folklore and genetics (R1a patrimonial haplogroup). According to Antique (not modern occultists) historians - Slavs were called: Veneti, Antes and Sclabones/Sclavines; 3 major groups. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.182.132.42 (talk) 08:19, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Dear Anon, I do not understand how my above remarks could give rise to your hypothesis on the existence of a Hungarian "occult / fascist theory about Slavic nonexistence". Please also read the article carefully before labelling other editors: Prokopius's report on the three major groups are mentioned in the article. Interestingly, this report was not challenged by a "Hungarian occult/fascist" historian, but by a Romanian archaeologist (Florin Curta, for further details I refer to his book cited in the article). However, I understand that presenting a Romanian archaeologist's views as a "Hungarian occult / fascist" theory cannot be an issue for an open-minden unbiased editor. Borsoka (talk) 09:05, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Section: Social anthropology

The section under the title "Social anthropology" is a nice essay, but I really do not understand why it is a part of this article. It even does not use the world "Early Slav". Therefore, I suggest, that this part should be deleted. Borsoka (talk) 09:12, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

definitely needs çondensation'Slovenski Volk (talk) 01:16, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

homeland

it can be macedonia. on sanskrit, mukh duniya means home world and ma ki duniya means mother of the world. there can be also another theory. pannonia and paeonia (vincha culture). there is one slavic legend about leh, cheh, and rus (the founders of poland, russia, and cheh republic), they all came from pannonia, the motherland of all slavs( so it says).212.13.86.194 (talk) 09:46, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

• Or even Macedonia can be a Scottish homeland: "MacDona ld", and this is proven by the fact that there are many farms in the county. Or may be people from the Don region with maces and speaking modern English used to live in "Mace donia" - and in fact there are old reliefs representing men with mace in Macedonia. Otherwise, any theory based on reliable source can be added to the article. Borsoka (talk) 07:36, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
  • I don't see any connection between the meaning of "mukh duniya" in Sanskrit (even if it really means 'home world') and the motherland of the slaves? Actually, how exactly were the ancient Indians able to document that the slaves' motherland was Macedonia, when they never knew who the slaves are, and why should this bother them at all? In fact, I prefer not to hear the answer - it definitely will be "too deep". 82.46.239.160 (talk) 21:06, 17 January 2013 (UTC)