Talk:E.N.V. Motor Syndicate

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London & Parisian Motor Co

In 1908 the London & Parisian Motor Co Ltd of 87 Davies Street, Oxford Street, London were advertising themselves as sole concessionaires for Hotchkiss cars. They were still advertising themselves as such in November 1910. By 1911 they were also sole agents in south east of England for Sankey "All-Steel Detachable wheels". Still advertising in 1930 as Hotchkiss agents so clearly did not become ENV. MilborneOne (talk) 14:52, 7 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Another quote from the 1908 London Times "It is made in Paris by the E.N.V syndicate, who guarantee delivery in England within a month of order. The sole selling rights for Great Britain have been entrusted to the London and Parisian Motor Company..." so the French E.N.V were operational while the UK company was still the London & Parisian Motor Company. MilborneOne (talk) 14:59, 7 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The London & Parisian Motor Co went into voluntary liquidation in 1935 still not clear what the connection is with ENV but not the same company. They certainly sold the engines but perhaps they spun of the engine manufacturing to the new company. MilborneOne (talk) 15:13, 7 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting. What Tagg does not state is the name of the French company at 29 Rue St Germain, but he does refer to 1908 engines as E.N.V.s. The original plan was to only make engines in France, to avoid the import tax, so it probably had a name incorporating the E.N.V. acronym, such as the E.N.V. Syndicate SA. Then, he says, in 1909 when the English aviation market picked up, they decided to manufacture in both the UK and France. At that time he says "the company was retitled 'The E.N.V. Motor Syndicate Ltd'." But which company? I read it as meaning the London & Parisian Motor Co Ltd, but it sounds, from what you have dug up that it may have been the French one, leaving the London & Parisian Motor Co Ltd to pursue the motor trade. Are there searchable French records that would make the French name exact?TSRL (talk) 15:34, 7 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Dont know anything about French companies but they was clearly a British company formed, just found this http://museumvictoria.com.au/collections/items/1691075/advertisement-e-n-v-aviation-motors-warwick-wright-ltd-london-england-1909 which says Warwick Wright Ltd are sole concessionaires for ENV aviation motors ! MilborneOne (talk) 15:43, 7 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'd just started looking at the adverts included in Tagg's book, quite a lot of them. They are not all dated and sourced, though several come from Flight and probably include that one. Slightly puzzled as to why a clearly UK Co. needed a UK concessionaire, but several say the same. Going to sit down and stare at them ... TSRL (talk) 15:51, 7 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

some more from Tagg. He says that from September 1909, WW "held the joint concession for the sale of French made engines and also acquired the sole selling rights for the London made engines." There is a Flight ad from 14 September 1909 that states that WW and L&PMC are the joint agents for E.N.V. Aviation Motors, though whether the latter is a company name or a product description is not clear. There is also a report on an engine, made following a visit to the French works (just described as the E.N.V. Works) which refers to the "Sole agents - jointly WW and L&PMC". Later ads in Tagg's collection have only WW on them, though only one, undated so far, says sole concessionaire. The last involving WW is dated 5 Nov 1910. The next one, 20 July 1911 is for the E.N.V. Syndicate Ltd; no agencies are mentioned. WW may have decided to change products, perhaps. By mid 1911 people were moving to Gnomes.TSRL (talk) 18:50, 7 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]