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Soldau Railway Junction

Soldau was an important railway junction during the time of the KPEV ( Prussian State Railways )--Molobo (talk) 15:26, 10 May 2008 (UTC) up to November 1918. The main line from Warsaw to Danzig and Grosslershausen - Strasburg - Soldau single line, in addition to branch line to East Prussian town of Niedenburg served Soldau. It was located 148.227 km from Warsaw. The Warsaw - Danzig main line was ( and is still ) double track railway. All Warsaw - Gdansk important express trains run through Soldau. During the World War Two 1939 - 1945 Soldau locomotive depot housed locomotives of Deutsche Reichsbahn ( DRB ) classes 03, ( Express trains ) 24, 37.0, ( Passenger trains ) 50, 57.10, ( Freight trains ) and 92.5. ( Shunting service ). These locomotives were offically allocated to Bw ( MPD ) Deutsch Eylau and Lokbahnhof Freystadt, Lokbahnfow Löbau and Bw Illowo. About 400 German locomotive drivers and depot personel worked in RMA Soldau. My last visit there in 2001. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.115.118.82 (talk) 18:22, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WW I

The only reason why Dzialdowo became part of Poland after WWI without participating the plebiscite in southern East Prussia was the direct railway line between Warsaw and Gdansk. It was important to prevent any german access on that connection. The reason was not any kind of polish majority at Dzialdowo at that time. (149.225.55.241 (talk) 15:21, 2 February 2008 (UTC))[reply]

Antoni Chrusciel

Antoni Chrusciel was imprisoned at the Dzialdowo POW – camp for 6 weeks in september/ october 1939. I could´nt find any other relation between him and the town Dzialdowo. Does this make him a “notable resident”?(62.180.160.59 (talk) 08:04, 4 February 2008 (UTC))[reply]

Not particularly. I'll remove him from the list. Olessi (talk) 22:55, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

German hoax

The candidate of the German Party was elected to the Sejm with 74,6 % of votes on May 2, 1920.^[1]

This was put as data by some anon. Poor hoax attempt. There were no elections to Sejm on May 2 1920.In fact there were no elections in that year.Elections were in 1919, 1922, 1928...--Molobo (talk) 21:48, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My Polish isn´t that good, but Polish Wikipedia seems to say something like that [[1]], so who is hoaxing? (62.134.88.217 (talk) 07:27, 10 May 2008 (UTC))[reply]

No source in linked article. Plenty of sources showing that they were no elections in 1920. --Molobo (talk) 11:13, 10 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The town wasn´t part of Poland when the first Sejm was elected in 1919, that´s why byelections were organized in May 1920. Kossert is a reliable source and even the Polish Wikipedia says that Barczewki was elected in May 1920. There´s no hoax story about that,even if it´s more than you can imagine.(62.134.88.44 (talk) 14:51, 10 May 2008 (UTC))[reply]

There is no source in Polish wikipedia and I can just as well edit that article that Martians invaded Działdowo in 1920. They were no elections in 1920 in Poland to Sejm. Case closed.--Molobo (talk) 15:26, 10 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Barczewski is mentioned as member of the Sejm here [2], so he was elected and Dzialdowo wasn´t part of Poland in 1919, so his election must have been later on. Kossert and Polish WP says that election in Dzialdowo were organized in May 1920. I can´t see the problem - case closed.(62.134.89.21 (talk) 15:35, 10 May 2008 (UTC))[reply]

There were no elections in 1920. He could have been elected later, Polish WP has no sources. And who is Kossert. I only found his book about sad people transfered to Germany after Germany failed toexterminate several nations in WW2 felt...Doesn't seem too neutral...--Molobo (talk) 15:37, 10 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

please read this [3], you don´t trust Polish WP in any way? Kossert is a well known historian working at the German Historical Institute at Warsaw (born 1970) and definitely anything else but right wing or anything like that. But of course a German can´t be neutral at all.(62.134.89.21 (talk) 15:46, 10 May 2008 (UTC))[reply]

No I don't trust Polish WP and especially unsourced ones. It is nice to know a person concentrating on how bad Germans felt about the fact they had to move to Germany after Germany tried to exterminate Poles is hired by German Institute in Warsaw. It's always good to know one's priorites. However the fact remains-no election in 1920.--Molobo (talk) 18:50, 10 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bring a source that makes claim Polish elections were in 1920 rather then in 1919. And please a normal one, not from author whose speciality is to write about how bad Germans felt after Germany lost the war.--Molobo (talk) 23:31, 10 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It must be great to have a doubtless concept of an enemy, it makes live much easier. Once again Dzialdowo wasn´t part of Poland in January 1919, when the first Sejm was elected, but after it was incorporated into Poland in January 1920 those "new" territories (as well as parts of the Polish Corridor) had to elect their own MP´s - or do you think they had to wait for the next regular elections without any rights in the parliament? Just try to think about it.

Btw, I don´t think the official homepage of Dzialdowo is a reliable source, as they wan´t to polonize the past - you´ve got a normal one?(62.134.88.49 (talk) 08:03, 11 May 2008 (UTC))[reply]

There were elections in May 1920 to add candidates to the constituent Sejm from 1919. They´re mentioned also here on page 55. I don´t know why it is so hard to find sources in the net, as many regions of the new Polish state were affected by those elections.

And how is it a specialty of Kossert to write about how bad Germans felt after Germany lost the war? His book "Masuren-Ostpreussens vergessener Süden", where he mentions the May 1920 election is about Masuria. Cheers. --ThePiedCow (talk) 14:55, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The bio of Dr. Andreas Kossert is here http://dhi.waw.pl/cms/en/ghi-warsaw/staff/research-fellows/dr-andreas-kossert.html , and a recension of his book by "Die Zeit" is here http://www.zeit.de/2005/42/P-Kossert-TAB -- Matthead Discuß 01:50, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Andreas Kossert, Masuren -Ostpreussens vergessener Süden, 2006, p.284

Source writes

spotkało się z silnym oporem i protestami Niemców działdowskich. Resistence and protests by Działdowo Germans. So it is clear that it is about their actions.--Molobo (talk) 22:23, 15 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Andreas Kossert, Masuren -Ostpreussens vergessener Süden, 2006, p.284

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