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I disagree; it takes up only half of the presidency section, and foreign policy was the major focus of his administration; I don't think it would be given enough weight if trimmed further. DFlhb (talk) 01:16, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This is incorrect. WP:WEIGHT is not an issue since a main article exists; breaking subarticles in summary style is not a weight violation. The summary-level that remains here is supposed to be shortened. VQuakr (talk) 17:25, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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I would like to request that the word "by" be added to the first sentence in the second paragraph under the subsection "Interstate Highway Act" which is in turn under the "Presidency (1953-1961)" section. This first sentence is grammatically incorrect without it.
Eisenhower's goal to create improved highways was influencedbyhis involvement in the Army's 1919 Transcontinental Motor Convoy.Wkwyl (talk) 18:47, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Please fully describe reference supporting Eisenhower being a democrat (the first citation) with something along the lines of this reference [1].
The way that I know that it was published in Volume 13 of Kansas History is that on page 264 of the Volume 13, 1990 index (which can be found on this site [2]), has the title of the linked Ferrell piece on the pages shown in the PDF of the piece. GrapesRock (talk) 18:41, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Randy Kryn and Alaska asiis: Even in its present form, with just "World War II general" prepended, the short description is too long. The standard test for the length threshold is to type "Dwig" in the Wikipedia search box. You get a list of articles whose names begin with those characters, and each article name is followed by the short description of the article. If a short description is truncated, it's too long. Of course this might depend on which "skin" you use when you're in Wikipedia on your computer. As I write this, doing the test on my home computer, the short description for Dwight Eisenhower is truncated, so I don't see the years of his presidency. Bruce leverett (talk) 14:43, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Mathglot: Regarding the use of "statesman" in the first sentence, I claimed that it was redundant because we state that he was president of the United States, and you counter-claimed that it was not redundant: A president is not necessarily a statesman; he could be a businessman, general, strongman, militia leader, kleptocrat, or quisling. The terms are not equivalent.
1 : one versed in the principles or art of government
especially : one actively engaged in conducting the business of a government or in shaping its policies
Evidently, every president of the United States is a statesman, inasmuch as he is "actively engaged in conducting the business of a government or shaping its policies".
So when we state that Eisenhower was the president, we make the statement that he was a statesman redundant.
Merriam-Webster gives another definition: "2 : a wise, skillful, and respected political leader". The fact that there are two definitions, quite different from each other, and both in wide use, makes it injudicious to use the word in a context (the lead paragraphs) where we cannot clarify which definition we have in mind.
Moreover, if we have the second definition in mind, using it is using judgmental language (WP:VOICE). As you know, there have been many arguments and edit wars over whether "politician" or "statesman" is to be chosen to describe political leaders in the lead sentences of Wiki articles. The reason for all this discomfort is that we shouldn't be passing judgment to begin with. If Wikipedia editors can't agree with each other whether or not a political leader was "wise, skillful, and respected", they should realize that they are trying to use Wikipedia's voice to speak their own opinions. Bruce leverett (talk) 03:42, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We do not edit articles based on definitions in tertiary sources like dictionaries, but rather, on what the preponderance of reliable sources have to say. In my opinion, basing the article content on editor interpretation of dictionary definitions is a mistake, and not supportable by any policy or guideline. Instead, we should base it on what the sources say. If they do not describe him as a statesman, then neither should we; if they do, regardless what the dictionaries say about the term, then so should we. We should prefer the content of the sources, and not our own interpretation of what words mean, or what words imply or contain other words. Mathglot (talk) 09:38, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are multiple book-length works that describe Eisenhower; we can't have a multi-book-length lead sentence. I think Bruce's rationale for the proposed lead is reasonable and in line with the relevant PAGs. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:35, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Of course, I meant to use the dictionary entries only to illustrate my argument; I would never cite them.
I think of cited sources as the heart of Wikipedia articles. But neither in this article, nor in any other biography I have seen, are sources cited to support the use of "statesman". Instead editors seem to just throw it in. As I have indicated above, I think this is because they are ignoring WP:VOICE (or more generally WP:NPOV).
I chuckle at the idea of a "multi-book-length lead sentence", but it is true that I have not found a way to use "statesman" in the lead sentence without some unpleasant throat-clearing to avoid violating WP:VOICE and WP:RS. If someone can figure out how to do this, I am interested; but in the mean time, I think that the correct thing to do is to revert back to the version without "statesman".
I think that when I first reverted to that version, I only mentioned MOS:REDUNDANCY. But I ought to have mentioned WP:VOICE; that is, I was doing the right thing for the wrong reason, which is a pretty serious omission in a Wikipedia edit summary. Bruce leverett (talk) 03:35, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. P,TO 19104 (talk) (contribs) 22:25, 4 June 2024 (UTC)