Talk:Dursun Karataş

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Accuracy of the article

The earlier version was much more true and correct. the current information are very biased and i strongly beleived turkish police or some fascists prepared this page, and all the biased infos are not true and not reflect any facts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.154.151.76 (talk) 22:06, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

First off, WP:No personal attacks. No name calling. If you have better fact, please cite reliable published sources for verifiability. Dursun Karataş was deleted because the content of the previous version did not cite sources and could not be verified. The current version is based on books and press citations. If you feel there is a bias, balance it with facts from reliable sources, don't remove sourced content. • Gene93k (talk) 22:37, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

you demanded some facts. here you go: Dursun Karatas was not born in 1953, but 1950. most of the infos about Dursun Karatas at internet suggest he was born in 1953. it is definitely wrong. if you look at original Devrimci Sol court documents, you will see he was born 27 March 1950. he has enrolled to University of Istanbul in 1967 at the age of 17. if he was born in 1953, it means he enrolled to university at the age of 14 which is not possible.

In 1978 he founded Dev-Sol (Revolutionary Left, precursor of DHKP-C).[2] Karataş' group was based in Istanbul.[3]

this is not a fact. the organisation was not based in Istanbul. He was representative of Devrimci Yol in Istanbul branch when he established Devrimci Sol, splinter organisation from devrimci Yol. Even turkish texas ranger that you used his report as a "fact" states it, if you carefully read it. Devrimci Sol is not based in Istanbul, but all over Turkey, especially, Adana, Izmir etc.

Karataş was jailed after the 1980 military coup. In prison a political reorganisation was undertaken. The Dev-Sol inmates at Bayrampaşa prison refused to follow orders and boycotted court invitations.

This is not true as well. They have boycotted the torture and inhumane processes in prison. Of course, torture is not mentioned at any documents or internet facts, but does not mean ut was existed. The organisation protested torture in prison and Devrimci Sol started a hunger strikes, 4 inmates (sorry, terrorist for you and turkish texas ranger, bearing in mind, one of the terrorist lost his life during hunger strike was imprisoned with the accusation of putting up posters in the walls, punishable with 6 months imprisonment nowadays), lost their lives.

In prison Karataş wrote Haklıyız Kazanacağız, a work which included analysis of past mistakes of the Dev-Sol movement and lists of enemies of the organization. It was published in two volumes in 1989, spanning more than 1000 pages.[3][4][5]

He did not write it, but all Devrimci Sol prisoners. As a matter a fact Sinan Kukul prapered the book. If you read the book earlier version you would see. (don't use sun glasses when you read it). Lists of enemies of the organisation..... what a fuck is that. there is no such thing in the book. their past mistakes...... the book consisted with Devrimci Sol ideologies, its aim etc.

He escaped from prison in 1989.[6] After escaping from jail, he went into exile in Europe.[4] In 1989-1990 Dev-Sol carried out a series of attacks. However, on July 12, 1991, Turkish police was able to dismantle several cells of the organization. Karataş fled to Europe. In April 1992 his wife Sahabat was killed by Turkish police.[3]

Following the police crackdown on Dev-Sol, Karataş was kidnapped and detained by the second-in-command of the movement, Bedri Yağan, on September 13, 1993. Karataş did however escape from captivity, and Dev-Sol was divided. Karataş and his followers reorganized their movement as DHKP-C.[3]

following police crack down.... very funny, second in command bedri Yagan,.... this is a joke not fact. Bedri Yagan was experiencin some problems theredore whatever his duties with in the organisation was removed before his action. see Devrmci Sol Dava Dosyasi. turkish texas ranger mentioned this in his report.

this is not your fault of course, the facts about the organisation and its leader were delibrately changed and munipilated by turkish security forces and its collobraters.

you have written "If you feel there is a bias, balance it with facts from reliable sources,..."

here you go very reliable source (not the one created Iraqi Weapons of Massdestruction, but one of its collaboraters), Supreme Administrative Court fined Turkish Ministry of Justice because of the treatment of Dursun Karatas and his co-defendant. The court decision says ..... most of the detainees supposed to be released earlier.....

http://www.munzurum.com/News-file-article-sid-3248.html

the full decision of the court given in the news, find reliable interpreter. you will see how many inmates(terrorists) were killed under torture, etc... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.3.224.9 (talk) 11:03, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately that reference is not reliable at all. It is hosted by munzurum.com. How do we know they did not falsify the facts? Furthermore, it does not say much about what you wrote. I will try to find the official announcement on http://www.ankarabim.adalet.gov.tr/ If you have other sources, please share them. --Adoniscik^{(t, c)} 01:44, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Request for Comments

There is an RfC on the question of using "Religion: None" vs. "Religion: None (atheist)" in the infobox on this and other similar pages.

The RfC is at Template talk:Infobox person#RfC: Religion infobox entries for individuals that have no religion.

Please help us determine consensus on this issue. --Guy Macon (talk) 22:36, 24 April 2015 (UTC)