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This sub-sect of Kagyu school of Tibetan Buddhism appears to be the same as the Drukpa Kagyu school... propose the pages are merged. See Buddhist Western Himalaya By O. C. Handa p.280 for details --Dakinijones (talk) 16:07, 2 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There is reason to think that the term Dugpa may refer to ’brug pa instead of Drukpa. See: http://www.katinkahesselink.net/his/dugpa-drugpa-blavatsky.html and http://www.katinkahesselink.net/tibet/dalai-theosophy.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.82.151.107 (talk) 18:39, 6 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Dugpa might be seen as the perjorative term used for Drukpa that orientalist writers latched onto when first coming in contact with Tibetan culture circa 19th century. I agree that the Dugpa article should be merged and trimmed of fat to fit into the tone of the Drukpa article. The second link listed above to a conversation with the Dalai Lama reinforces an old translation of the term dugpa; the Kagyu or Black Hats were marginalized as sorcerers in the early formation of Tibetan Buddhism (post Bon). The marginalizing could be attributed to Milarepa's earliest involvement with sorcery and/or as result of sectarian throttling to achieve monastic dominance.

Honestly, there's a myriad of reasons why a perjorative could form as associated with the Kagyu sect, ranging from ritual ejaculation to Tantric sex in any case the Lahaulis as cited & referenced in the Dugpa article follow a combination of Hinduism and Tibetan Buddhism of the Drukpa Kagyu order, while the Spiti Bhotia follow Tibetan Buddhism of the Gelugpa order. With this in mind arises a regional discrepancy with an arcane term like Dugpa. The wrathful connotations of dugpa might be found in terms related to the ritual purba (dagger).

Padmasambhava was known as Guru Dragpo or Pema Drago ('wrathful lotus').

—Beer, Robert (1999) The Encyclopedia of Tibetan Symbols and Motifs (Hardcover). Boston MA: Shambhala ISBN 1-57062-416-X, 978-1570624162

Regarding the term Dugpa, it might help to notice that Gampopa a.k.a. Dagpo Lhaje is responsible for the Dagpo Kagyu lineage which encompases all the branches of the Kagyu school of Tibetan Buddhism; in this context Dagpo refers to a geographic region.blackson (talk) 16:56, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hey I just tried to vandalize this page and it got reverted which I'm sorry about. But I really don't understand how this bullshit can stand. This page is nothing but a bunch of 110 year old garbage written by European fuckfaces making shit up about Buddhism--how can you treat this Madame Blavatsky crap as a source? It's seriously embarrassing for you and I feel sorry.