Talk:Dreamtime (climb)

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A fact from Dreamtime (climb) appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 9 July 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Dreamtime (pictured) is one of the world's most famous bouldering routes?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2024/July. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Dreamtime (climb).

GA Review

Passed. Arconning · (talk · contribs) 15:04, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Nominator: Aszx5000 (talk · contribs) 21:19, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Arconning (talk · contribs) 04:10, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I will be reviewing this, comments will probably be finished in the next 72 hours! Arconning (talk) 04:10, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks @Arconning. The comments are very helpful and I think I have responded to them all but just to clarify some things (per below). Look forward to your feedback. Aszx5000 (talk) 17:38, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Prose and MoS

Italicize article title. Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Titles of works

Done

Dreamtime boulder, just for clarification it shouldn't be italicized since it's referring to the boulder itself and not the climb, correct?

Agreed, it is referring to the boulder.

Infobox and lead

Make the coordinates of the location a little less specific, check [1] for a guideline.

Done, is that okay?

(33 ft), change to (33-foot).

Done

route in climbing history, add a comma at the end.

Done

History

softened, softening, unless a proper climbing term, change it to something more formal. Though can use quotes for these terms.

Done, changed to 'lowered' and 'lowering'

'dreamtime', add [sic] template.

Done, have I got that right?

The Dagger V14 (8B+), The Dagger, which is graded as V14 (8B+).

Done

Variations

German climber Yannick Flohé create, change create to created.

Done

but at the crux goes right, but at the crux, he goes right.

Done

directly up the boulder, add a comma at the end.

Done

Return of the Dreamtime,, remove comma.

Done

Legacy

In a 2009 article on Dreamtime, PlanetMountain said: "So beautiful and important, the Dreamtime immediately did as its name suggests, it made everyone dream and, in doing so, it became a reference point for cutting-edge problems, one of the most famous boulders in the world, second perhaps only to Midnight Lightning, freed by Ron Kauk in 1978 at Camp Four in Yosemite.[4] Others have also labeled Dreamtime as being the world's most famous boulder route,[20] often along with Midnight Lightning, and credited it for promoting the development of the sport.[6], where does the quotation end? The references don't support the 2009 article claim.

Done That was the wrong reference, I have added the correct ref that has the entire sentence as a quote.

Climbing, listed Dreamtime and The Story of Two Worlds,, remove unnecessary commas.

Done

Repeating Dreamtime became a rite-of-passage for every major boulder climber., add considered.

Done, changed to Repeating Dreamtime is considered a rite-of-passage for major boulder climbers

Ascents

No issues on prose and MoS.

Refs

Formatted properly.
Reference 1 should be changed as it's mainly user generated. Thought it can also be omitted.

Not done 'theCrag' is a very well regarded database of international climbing route (the European version of Mountain Project), which climbers would recognise as authoritive. It is therefore okay to keep this? thanks

- - As I said, it can be omitted. Per Wikipedia:Reliable sources#User-generated content, it's okay I guess, since it's not largely user-generated.

Understand, thanks.

Reference 6 should have the original German title as the title, could put a "trans-title=" template for it. Also specify the language using "lang=de". Also do this with references 22, 25, 27, and 32, with their respective languages and titles.

Done added "trans-title" and "language" to reference 6; however

Not done, do I still need to change their titles to the original language or can I keep the en translated versions?

- - Please use the original titles alongside the translated titles. See reference 2 on Laufey (singer) for a guide.

Done, hopefully I have got that right.

Reference 11 needs to use the archived version, link leads to updated website and not the source.

Done, replaced that with a new reference that has Hojer's original quote.

Spotchecks

Earwig and manual check is okay, pass. Earwig just picks up quotes.

Images

Images are relevant and have proper licensing.

Misc

No ongoing edit war, broad and focused on the topic.
- @Aszx5000: Here are my comments, hope they can be addressed!
  - @Aszx5000:, please check the remainder of my comments on Refs. Also italicize the name of the climb in the infobox, my apologies.
    - @Arconning:, have made alll those suggested changes now. thanks.
      - @Aszx5000: Congrats on the new GA!
        @Arconning: Excellent - thank you so much !

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Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 07:38, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The line of the Dreamtime 8C (V15) graded bouldering route is marked in green

... that Dreamtime (pictured) is considered one of the world's most famous bouldering routes?

Source: https://www.planetmountain.com/en/news/climbing/dreamtime-a-dream-which-vanished-for-a-second-only.html

Reviewed:

Improved to Good Article status by Aszx5000 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Aszx5000 (talk) 15:44, 10 June 2024 (UTC).[reply]

article is long enough, recently promoted to GA and within policy. Hook is short enough and interesting. QPQ not needed. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 21:50, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Aszx5000 and Gonzo fan2007: Comment: Seems like a bold claim. I wonder if we should attribute this claim or bolster it with more robust sources. Or explore a more verifiable hook. Bruxton (talk) 15:14, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Considered" and "one of" make this less bold. I think the article supports both assertions, but if the nominator wants to add an additional source to back it up, it wouldn't hurt. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 15:19, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks all, and here are some additional refs (i.e. Dreamtime and Midnight Lightning (climb)'s fame is easily verifiable in climbing): probably the most famous boulder in the world, https://www.planetmountain.com/en/news/climbing/jernej-kruder-climbs-childhood-dream-dreamtime-cresciano.html, They are two of the most famous problems in the world of bouldering, with Dreamtime—arguably the first internationally famous boulder problem since Midnight Lightning. Just google +"dreamtime" +"boulder" +"famous", and you will get every major climbing magazine (per WP:NCLIMB). Hope that works. Aszx5000 (talk) 17:27, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]